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	<title>Comments on: Virgin Mobile Attacks Rogers Over GRRF&#8211;WTF?!</title>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/virgin-mobile-attacks-rogers-over-grrf-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-57674</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We’re flattered that Sir Richard Branson is paying such close attention to Rogers from his home in England.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So in one breath they acknowledge Virgin&#039;s foreign investment and interest in a Canadian Cellphone provider but WIND is not allowed to begin operations until they eliminate all  foreign investments and interests?  WTF with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We’re flattered that Sir Richard Branson is paying such close attention to Rogers from his home in England.&#8221;</p>
<p>So in one breath they acknowledge Virgin&#39;s foreign investment and interest in a Canadian Cellphone provider but WIND is not allowed to begin operations until they eliminate all  foreign investments and interests?  WTF with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Sad Rogers Prisoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sad Rogers Prisoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that if my business charges a government tax, even if I&#039;m just innocently scamming my customers (who doesn&#039;t right, lol,) I still owe that money to the government since I took it in their name. &lt;br&gt;I&#039;d be satisfied if Rogers and the other telecommunications companies who have been charging an illegitimate &#039;government&#039; tax were to simply pass the &#039;tax&#039; on to the government. Then, no fraud charges right?&lt;br&gt;Hah! Who am I kidding? The Rogers Triplets tell the government what the law is, not the other way around. It was a nice thought though. &lt;br&gt;*Back to reality now*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that if my business charges a government tax, even if I&#39;m just innocently scamming my customers (who doesn&#39;t right, lol,) I still owe that money to the government since I took it in their name. <br />I&#39;d be satisfied if Rogers and the other telecommunications companies who have been charging an illegitimate &#39;government&#39; tax were to simply pass the &#39;tax&#39; on to the government. Then, no fraud charges right?<br />Hah! Who am I kidding? The Rogers Triplets tell the government what the law is, not the other way around. It was a nice thought though. <br />*Back to reality now*</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/virgin-mobile-attacks-rogers-over-grrf-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-57535</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent Keith Mcarthur some @ Messages on Twitter telling him to please remove the fee. You can do so as well: &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/KeithMcarthur&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twitter.com/KeithMcarthur&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent Keith Mcarthur some @ Messages on Twitter telling him to please remove the fee. You can do so as well: <a href="http://twitter.com/KeithMcarthur" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/KeithMcarthur</a></p>
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		<title>By: iphoneincanada</title>
		<link>http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/virgin-mobile-attacks-rogers-over-grrf-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-57526</link>
		<dc:creator>iphoneincanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm...are you sure about that? Please re-read this crystal clear Bell press release, in which the headline reads, &quot;   	&lt;br&gt;Bell Mobility acquires full ownership of Virgin Mobile Canada&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/05/07/75140.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/05/0...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe you were mistaken but the fact of the matter is, Bell owns Virgin Mobile Canada. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;are you sure about that? Please re-read this crystal clear Bell press release, in which the headline reads, &#8221;   	<br />Bell Mobility acquires full ownership of Virgin Mobile Canada&#8221;. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/05/07/75140.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/05/0.." rel="nofollow">http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/05/0..</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe you were mistaken but the fact of the matter is, Bell owns Virgin Mobile Canada. <img src='http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Huh?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huh?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you&#039;re wrong. Bell bought Virgin Mobile quite a few months ago. They already had half stake in the company, and just bought out the rest. The agreement was to run it as a &quot;seperate company&quot; from Bell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you&#39;re wrong. Bell bought Virgin Mobile quite a few months ago. They already had half stake in the company, and just bought out the rest. The agreement was to run it as a &#8220;seperate company&#8221; from Bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbers (Rogers) is pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robbers (Rogers) is pathetic!</p>
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		<title>By: mare</title>
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		<dc:creator>mare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin Mobile&#039;s parent company is &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; Bell. They use the cellular network of Bell, but that doesn&#039;t mean they are related. They just pay for the bandwidth. Virgin Mobile has no networks in any country, but just rents them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All mobile telecom operators use each other&#039;s networks BTW. Not the cell towers but the fiber optic land lines that connect your call to the receiver are not all owned by the same company. And when a cable is broken or &quot;full&quot; the signals are re-routed through other cables, even if that cable is owned by your competitor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My Internet provider uses the Bell phone lines. That doesn&#039;t mean it is a daughter company of Bell, but if something is wrong I do have to call Bell&#039;s tech support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin Mobile&#39;s parent company is <b>NOT</b> Bell. They use the cellular network of Bell, but that doesn&#39;t mean they are related. They just pay for the bandwidth. Virgin Mobile has no networks in any country, but just rents them. </p>
<p>All mobile telecom operators use each other&#39;s networks BTW. Not the cell towers but the fiber optic land lines that connect your call to the receiver are not all owned by the same company. And when a cable is broken or &#8220;full&#8221; the signals are re-routed through other cables, even if that cable is owned by your competitor.</p>
<p>My Internet provider uses the Bell phone lines. That doesn&#39;t mean it is a daughter company of Bell, but if something is wrong I do have to call Bell&#39;s tech support.</p>
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		<title>By: Flaxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far I&#039;m most impressed by Telus. They removed the hidden fees and their basic iPhone package seems quit competitive. They may have increased their plans by $5 but this still represents a savings over the SAF. It also makes the plans transparent and upfront. What you see is what you get. Never thought I&#039;d ever say this but good job Telus. Take notes Robbers....er Rogers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far I&#39;m most impressed by Telus. They removed the hidden fees and their basic iPhone package seems quit competitive. They may have increased their plans by $5 but this still represents a savings over the SAF. It also makes the plans transparent and upfront. What you see is what you get. Never thought I&#39;d ever say this but good job Telus. Take notes Robbers&#8230;.er Rogers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bcb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good to see someone pointing out this rip-off, but I&#039;m surprised there hasn&#039;t been more uproar about this deceptively named GRRF. come on Rogers, are you really this scummy?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;we need a Rogers Ripoff Recovery Fee that&#039;s mandated by the government...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good to see someone pointing out this rip-off, but I&#39;m surprised there hasn&#39;t been more uproar about this deceptively named GRRF. come on Rogers, are you really this scummy?</p>
<p>we need a Rogers Ripoff Recovery Fee that&#39;s mandated by the government&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so much an attack as its an exposure of Rogers&#039; sneakiness. Damn I hate that company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so much an attack as its an exposure of Rogers&#39; sneakiness. Damn I hate that company</p>
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