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The CRTC has made a decision this week that could change the way we use the Internet forever. They have approved Canadian Internet Service Providers to implement Usage-Based Billing (UBB), which puts an end to unlimited Internet plans. Now, you will be charged on what you use and what providers want you to “over use”.

What perfect timing especially when services like Netflix Canada have started to take off. In today’s world, video and streaming multimedia rule our lives.

Netflix Says ISPs that Charge Per GB are Ridiculous

Via Arstechnica:

Wired ISPs have large fixed costs of building and maintaining their last mile network of residential cable and fiber. The ISPs’ costs, however, to deliver a marginal gigabyte, which is about an hour of viewing, from one of our regional interchange points over their last mile wired network to the consumer is less than a penny, and falling, so there is no reason that pay-per-gigabyte is economically necessary. Moreover, at $1 per gigabyte over wired networks, it would be grossly overpriced.

From the Globe and Mail:

NDP digital affairs critic Charlie Angus gets what’s at stake. “We’ve seen this all before with cellphones,” he said last week. “Allowing the Internet Service Providers to ding you every time you download is a rip-off. Canada is already falling behind other countries in terms of choice, accessibility and pricing for the Internet. We need clear rules that put consumers first.”

We need to stop this blatant cash grab. Fight back and join over 75,500 people that have already decided to say enough is enough.Visit StoptheMeter.ca and sign the petition. Our Internet future depends on it!

Do you agree with Usage-Based Billing for Internet in Canada?

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  • Bekk45

    Absolute bulls**t

  • DD

    I don’t understand the protest. Why sould I have to pay the same for my 8 Mb usage as the person who uses 3 terabytes.

  • mike

    I dropped Rogers for Bell because they hit me for going over my 60 gb cap after I got my xbox and played a few games and watched a couple of Netflix movies. Bell (so far) does not have a bandwidth cap with their DSL connection.

  • Anonymous

    How about because all of the physical infrastructure that supports your 8 Mb usage costs the exact same as the infrastructure that supports the person who uses 3 Tb?

    Your property taxes don’t fluctuate based on how much you drive on city-maintained roads.

  • Anonymous

    I signed that and everyone else should too!

    I do not agree with usage based billing. Total cash grab and right in the face of the ‘new’ competition from Netflix and other services.

  • Okfalls

    Well, I will have to check my Telus/Shaw bill. I just started with Netflix.. my grandson lives with us and his Wii etc is always on… This is extremely disappointing. I am getting really fed up.

  • Ran11sum

    Great analogy.

  • Crosseyed_mofo

    if your using 8mb’s a month do you even NEED the internet?

  • it doesn’t matter what I think nor any of you. This IS going to happen and we cant do anything about it being the cockroaches we are as the general public. we are no more then walking dollar signs.

    Its the same as BCs HST tax everyone fought, we clearly had more then enough to cut it, but big companies want money, government too so we just have to bend over and allow them to take what they want…. lol

  • We need to abolish this ruling immediately or we will be paying the highest rates in the world very soon.

  • This is like backwards “per second billing”. Instead of saving us money they’re charging us more by the second.

    With Rogers at 56$ for 85GB thats about 0.65$/GB. Someone using less than a GB would save a lot. Someone who downloads huge amounts would pay for what they’re getting.

    Im on TekSavvy. I pay $35 for 200 GB. That’s $0.175/GB. Im definitely willing to pay that. 😛

    If they are going to charge $1/GB then they’re obviously over charging if third party ISPs like TekSaavy can sell for 17 cents. If the per GB charge is regulated to a reasonable level this will be ok but charging $1+ per GB doesn’t make any sense at all.

  • ward09

    But you do pay based on usage for water, hydro and gas.

  • ward09

    But you do pay based on usage for water, hydro and gas.

  • iPhoneUser333

    Actually, this is a good analogy to explain why the 8 Mb should not pay as much as the 3 Tb guy. If half the people drove, I would only need a 2 lane highway, not a 4 lane highway. the cost to build and run a 2 lane highway is much less. ISPs need to buy big routers and expensive connections because of the high usage people, not because of the low usage one. I welcome usage based billing. It is all about paying for what you are using.

  • Anonymous

    Stupid analogy. A large portion of your fuel cost is down to tax. The more you drive, the more you fund the government through the fuel tax.

    A more accurate analogy would be the pay as you go mobile phone market. My mother has a pay as you go phone and barely uses it. She therefore pays something like $10/month. Should she be paying the same $60 I do when I use somewhere in the range of 5 GB of data along with a fair bit of voice calling and more text messages than I care to count? She’s using the same physical infrastructure that supports my heavy usage after all.

  • Noah

    of course you should not have to pay as the same as the high usage people. you should be offered a cheaper option instead of changing the billing method back to 10 years ago!

    as the contract of carriers in the rest of the world, canadian carriers have lost their mind and have been pathetic of robbing your pocket! Usage based billing is so 1990s thing since at that time, internet wasn’t a common thing and the cost was relatively high. But, it’s 2011 now!! Usage-based billing sounds like a joke of being charging of fresh air.

    I always wonder if CRTC is a toy of ISP of this country. They are not only not being helpful but also making it worst. Well played!

  • Orgmauk

    Hi Mike, unless you have a grandfathered Bell DSL plan then Bell’s DSL essential starts at 2GB/month cap.. next level up has a 12GB/month cap. I dropped Bell because they switched my plan without my knowledge and then told me it was to late to get the unlimited plan.

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  • I hate to be unsympathetic, but I find it hard to think of this as anything other than “OH NOES I CAN HAZ 1ST WURLD PROBLEMZ!!!”. My wife and I have to survive on 5GB a month, and I’m yet to keel over and die.

  • I think what I think.
    not everyone will agree with me, but thats the beauty of online forums. ^_~

  • Jonathan

    Wrong. Yes your two lane highway is cheaper than a 4 lane highway, but this is based on an assumption that the number of cars (data), is halved. This analogy therefore would mean Bell/Rogers would lose half of their clients as a result of UBB. Seems pretty stupid on their part.

    The fact is, the infrastructure supports 4 lanes TODAY. The government does not build a 4 lane highway, waits 5 years and then decides to build a toll booth for select vehicles only to justify paying for the construction of that already paid-for highway.

    The roads cost the same for everyone, no matter how much or how little of them each person drives on. The same is true for the internet and its infrastructure.

    If you use 8MB and I use 8 GB we should pay the same price because we are paying for the infrastructure/speed of the service. We are NOT paying for the data!

    UBB means paying for the DATA AND THE SERVICE rather than for the service alone. Here is my analogy:

    UBB is equal to a person (user) paying for bus fare (internet service) and then for every kilometer (megabyte) ridden on the bus ride (internet use) until that person disembarks (disconnects). Each passenger therefore pays a different rate, depending on the distance between their place of bording (going online) and destination (going offline), despite the fact that the bus (internet lines) would run even if no one rode (used) it.

  • Jonathan

    UBB therefore is taking public transportation and privatizing it into a taxi service.

    Now do you understand why everyone is pissed off?

  • Jonathan

    Water = NOPE. Tp water is free for everyone in Quebec. No metering whatsoever.
    Hydro = YES.
    GAS = YES BUT… the price of gas doesn’t fluctuate based on how much is used, but on how much is supplied. You buy more gas because you use more gas, but that gas doesn’t cost more because of how much you use, but because of how much is left. There’s a big difference.

  • Anonymous

    We need to dissolve the CRTC

  • This has nothing to do with paying for usage, and everything to do with the bigger picture.

    Big business ruling over the masses, choking the innovation of one of the most important tools in our time (the Internet).

    The last time I checked, all of these telecom companies have SERIOUS conflict of interest (owning dwindling TV, radio, music divisions). Pathetic.

  • Dave

    most likey some scumbag high up got paid, so they don’t give a F@%$ people. we really should do something its getting ridicules! they make billions in profit but they still want more and more! no one is protecting us from those robbers. its a shame that we have to go backward as technology progresses because of such rip offs and robberies! i’m personally so sick of those internet/cell providers! we trial behind almost every country in the world! we pay the highest prices and have longest contracts in the world! its just DISGUSTING!

  • Internet Provider Girl

    I work for an internet/cable company and what people don’t realize is this new UBB will only affect less than 9% of the population. You are given a certain amount of bandwidth usage based on the internet package you subscribe to. Use more, get a higher package and get a higher bandwidth limit.

    People who only use the internet for email and light browsing should not have to pay as much as people who download 1 TB per month is movies, music and games.

    It really isn’t going to be expensive to purchase extra bandwidth to be able to download all the things you want. Literally an extra $10-30 per month for a higher bandwidth package. Peanuts! If you would rather save money on internet usage, how about seeing how much it would cost you to BUY all the movies, music and games people are able to download. Bet you wouldn’t mind paying an extra $30 for more bandwidth then.

    Drive your car more, pay for more gas. Use more heat, pay for more hydro. Eat more food, pay for more food to eat. This really isn’t a big change from what happens in day to day live with SO many other things.

    But seriously, 91% of internet users don’t even come close to going over their allotted bandwidth limit. Call up your provider and ask your average usage. I bet you would be surprised.

  • Anonymous

    You’re just making the argument because it relates to your employment.

  • Anonymous

    Why is anyone surprised at this? The middle class is slowly becoming extinct and only the wealthy will be able to afford (and dictate) to the rest of us! Which by the way is exactly how they want it!

  • Internet Provider Girl

    I am not making an argument for or against it. I am just trying to pass along some facts that people might not realize. People get so worked up over here something like this coming into place when it probably won’t affect you. And if it does, I think paying an extra $20 per month to continue getting unlimited movies, music and games is a LOT cheaper than paying for all that in a store.

    Another thing you don’t realize is that when your neighbour sits there downloading terabytes worth of data all day and all night, it affects YOUR connection. Research a little bit about how an internet company provides 20Mb/s 0r higher download speed to you 24/7. There is only enough bandwidth to go around and increasing the amount available to each neighbourhood to accommodate more people and more usage costs billions of dollars. Those who use 10x the bandwidth they are supposed to obviously can affect others.

    All I am saying is check out your usage with your provider. It’s probably lower than you think and you probably have nothing to worry about.

  • Some Perspective

    I dare someone to count up each music album, movie and video game you have download for free. Calculate the cost at about $15 or more per CD, $20 or more per movie and $80 per video game and THEN tell everyone if you would rather pay a few extra dollars a month to continue downloading them all or whether you would like to actually buy them all for thousands of dollars.

    Bet you would choose UBB over losing your access to Torrents in that case.

  • Mathieu

    The problem with usage based Internet billing is that it pushes users not to use Internet.
    I’m pretty sure 100GB/month is not enough to watch Netflix, rent movies and TV shows on iTunes, watch podcasts…
    What you need to understand is that ISPs in Canada have huge economic interests to make Internet content distribution fail and not replace the cable/satellite content distribution… as it’s happening in every other developed country.
    The Internet is great as long as it’s unlimited. Even if the limits is 100 TB/month, it’s still a limit.
    The Internet simply shouldn’t even be measured.
    How does 3D live streaming of hockey games is ever gonna come to Canada if people have to check their bandwidth usage before going to the Internet?
    Canada is already far behind other developed countries in Internet services.
    Just as a reminder, in Europe people can get UNLIMITED Internet+Phone+TV for as less as 30 EUR and yes, ISPs are private companies and are making money.

  • Mathieu

    The main reason in fact is that even if you use only 8 MB/month today, you may want to be able to use more in the future.
    For example, when you discover that you don’t need to pay for cable or satellite TV because every thing you watch is (or should be) available on the Internet (for free or not).
    For example, Netflix is a great service for watching TV content all day long for 8$/month but it requires unlimited Internet.

    The point is that limited Internet limits innovations and competitions and keep the prices high.

  • Mathieu

    You just keep going about people downloading music, movie or video game for free on the Internet.
    People don’t buy CDs, DVDs or even BluRay in 2011 (… well, at least, they wouldn’t if the Internet was unlimited). People pay for services like music or video streaming services. They either pay a monthly fee or they watching ads. Either way they’re generating revenues for content providers.
    People don’t want to own an music CD, a movie DVD, they want to listen to music, they want to watch a movie right now and they don’t want to own it forever.

    One more time, UBB is not against people pirating stuff on the Internet. It’s against services that compete with current content distribution model (cable tv, satellite tv, DVD rental…).

    I’m paying 10$/month to stream all the music I want, I’m buying games on Steam/AppleAppStore/AndroidMarket/…, I’m paying 8$/month to stream movies and TV shows from Netflix, I’m renting movie and Tv shows on iTunes Store, I’m watching ads on YouTube, CTV.ca, thecomedynetwork.ca … only because I currently have UNLIMITED Internet.

  • Shitty-but-true

    ok but now your comparing apples to oranges. what montyman said was 100% about this issue it doesnt cost any more or anyless for high INTERNET usage the low INTERNET usage. When all these people who are saying yeah I dont use the internet much i shouldnt pay. Your likey not the 8% that is affected. Your price is the same. The 8% affected is high usage users. It all boils down to the fact that these compuanies are already making billions of dollars. We pay dollars for what cost them pennies to provide. Too many canadian companies get away with over charging Canadians compared with US and other countries. Look at the price of a new car in Canada vs States.

  • Alex

    Something that you said is really disturbing. If we will have to pay for what we use, we will be paying for people to send us advertisments. That really SUX !!

  • Some Perspective

    I agree with you that 100Gb per month is not enough to use Netflix and stream all the stuff that is available these days. And you’re right, these things have a huge part of why UBB is being introduced but not for the reasons you think.

    BUT It’s not being done as a petty cash grab or to try and prevent people from using these things.

    Usage on the Internet has changed immensely over the last decade. It’s much, much heavier for obvious reasons. It takes a pretty intense infrastructure to give millions of people fast and reliable Internet. With things like streaming live feeds and Netflix becoming more and more popular, it’s causing more strain on the current infrastructure than ever before and this causes problems for your connection and for everyone elses. It cost billions upon billions of dollars to upgrade everything from the backbone to the lines that feed your house with service to keep everyone getting the speeds and reliability they want. I know that saying that sounds like a cash grab, but it’s not being done to screw the man just for fun. It’s being done (for one reason anyway) because companies need to be able to keep up with the always increasing demand for faster speeds and more bandwidth and doing that is hella expensive. You may think that Cable Companies already get enough profit and they should just be able to upgrade whatever, but it costs more than you think when everythint comes into play with product development (new PVRs and features), new channels (More and more new HD and 3D programming coming out) and SO many other things related to making sure your Cable, Internet and Phone works and continues to work.

    I will mention it again. I have seen the prices that (at least my company) will be charging for extra bandwidth packages and it’s literally an extra $10-$30 per month. I still think that’s peanuts to continue getting all your unlimited content.

    But I know people hate change and inflation. Happened with gas prices, happened with HST. I am not trying to make UBB sound like a great thing. Just trying to give a little perspective of why it’s happening as something other that a “fun” thing the CRTC felt like doing to screw everyone. I know a little to much about how Internet service works behind the scenes and how much it takes to continue giving everyone the speeds and bandwidth they want.

  • Noubbcanada

    poeple dont realize that after this cap billing is in place they will decrease it slowly to the point that it will effect 50% of the users and make a killing , GET IT ,, it is very sneaky ,,,,, to start making money of all the content that other poeple have created ….because you consume it ….

  • Anonymous

    If it will only affect less than 9% of the population then again I pose the question: Why implement it at all? Why place restrictions on it? I’ll tell you why…..because it’s all about CONTROL! And the problem with this is once it’s in place it WILL NEVER BE REVOKED! & I have a MAJOR problem with that! As a society we’re regulated to DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • David

    Are you serious???????????? You are joking right? Stop sleeping with the Bell CEO.

  • Its not “being done as a cash grab”? you mean a $1.90 /gb at say 40gb overage isn’t a cash grab? What is it then? An $80 “bonus” for Bell?

  • Some Perspective

    There has actually always been restrictions on the amount of bandwidth included in your internet package. The company I am with used to inforce this until about a year ago and things kind of slipped and it’s been an open buffet up until now. Not sure what company you are with, but likely they have always had a limit too. Check your terms of service. If you have never been contacted before now about abusing it, you are probably not even close to the limit. So quit worrying so much about it.

  • Some Perspective

    But I am done with my attempts at educating everyone. I wish you luck in your protests! If it does come into play, it won’t be as bad as everyone is expecting. Probably won’t notice. 🙂

  • Cuban_non_communist

    UBB reminds me the totalitarian government in Cuba doing whatever they want always affecting lower/middle class people…

  • Mgmcc

    In the Big Picture I include the bandwidth that is pushed over the internet by advertisers. It is like having the individual subscriber pay for junk mail and flyers delivered to the home. Unless they filter out all the unwanted material and bill the sender for that bandwidth they should not have the subscriber paying for all the content coming over the network!!

  • Tom

    This is ridiculous.I always though canada was a liberal free progressif society but since 2001,canada began a descent from it’s oldvalues.

    We let the mighty, republican U.S and A telling us what to do.Canada had became a police society even worst that U.S.A.

    The reason companies like Rogers/fido provider in order to ask the CRTC to allow them to limit Data,have to do with copyright and music downloading.

    But their true reason is to making more money but CRTC find it hard to refuse to them now after making Rogers loosing 2 billions dollars because of new CRTC rules allowing new wireles competitors .

    They want to be friend again with the Rogers Telus Bell etc..

  • Teri

    It is no use comparing us to Europe as they have a lot more people there! My friends in Holland live in a country the size of vancouver island which has 700,000 people while they have close to 17 million!
    Lots of people paying a little or a few people paying a lot.

  • Gary is that you ?

  • Its a good analogy – In Vancouver property taxes pay for roads , fuel taxes go to transit and general revenue for the province. So all property taxpayers (including renters) pay for road maintenance whether they drive, bike or ride the bus

  • Jkajfes

    ya and that why it took Bell four bloody years to dig up a section of cable under the sidewalk near my home while I was still paying full price for the package I had and paying for the constant rate increases during this time. Great infrastructure. I kept getting slick fiber offerings for 12+ megabytes a second in the mail at least once every month when they couldn’t even get a solid 3 megs into the house! The fiber ends at the Slams…Who are they and you kidding? My bill is almost doubling and before you jump on the UBB thing…. I’m paying for it and always was. It was called a “Premium Package” The new offerings you’re alluding to here like HD shouldn’t be touted until they’ve got the infrastruture in place to handle it. A buck a gig… get real! totally out of porportion.Next they’ll want cell phone rates for the internet.

  • Thomaus

    Today’s use of the internet isn’t the same as tomorrow’s. Things will change for the majority of the public as devices like the Apple TV, Xbox 360, the Boxee Box, etc. grow in use. Yes, right now, 90% of the public hasn’t tried it. But they will, and when they do they’ll not be too happy that their bills will shoot up.

    Even Rogers is promoting watching TV on demand on your PC. From their FAQ: “Rogers On Demand Online is available to everyone in Canada for FREE!”
    Unfortunately, they go on to say: “Much like any other video streaming site, customers are responsible for any bandwidth usage beyond their monthly limit. Rogers offers a variety of Hi-Speed Internet packages to choose from.”

    So, one hand, they promote video over IP. But like any business, they see it as an additional revenue stream. If Usage-based billing stays entrenched, it will take away the motivation for people to stop watch (and paying) for cable and watch video over IP. They are just trying to keep those monthly bills high, no matter what advantages technology may provide.

  • Thomaus

    Cisco (or somebody) sells the same switches and hardware to Canadian ISPs as they do in Holland. So, the tech cost should be similar.
    And if Holland has so many more users, shouldn’t ‘excessive’ Internet use be a much larger problem for the ISPs there? If Canada has so few users, what could possibly be the problem?

    Other than the CRTC being in the pocket of big business, I’m not sure.

  • Thomaus

    We’re on a 60 gig plan. We use around 59 gigs a month (I watch the meter).
    So, how come Rogers hasn’t rebated all the money they saved to those 8 mb/5 Gb users? Assuming it actually costs them less.

    I shouldn’t be the one pissed off for paying for and using the allotted service. The light users should be pissed for getting overcharged.

  • djmattyg007

    quit your whining. it’s been like this in Australia ever since we’ve had Internet.

  • John

    just because you guys are sheep in australia for not saying anything about your rights, We in Canada have to be the same? give me a break buddy! ITS WRONG I DON”T CARE WHERE THIS HAPPENS! public is becoming their sheep! they want to be one big bully to take our money despite making billions. Enough is enough!

  • Mike

    you don’t make sense at all! you are trying to make a point and you are not at all! because you work there and most likely are getting a discount so sure it doesn’t effect you! people are selfish these days. the tech is going forward we in Canada are going backwards and getting more restrictions day by day pay more and more even though they are taking millions in profits every MONTH!

  • GuyDanger

    So the argument has come down to the person who uses alot of bandwidth VS the person who doesn’t use much at all. I don’t see how this makes sense? Yes there is a difference between the 2, and if you use alot of bandwidth you should pay more (To a certain extent). Point taken. The problem I see with UBB is the anti-competative nature of it. Online distribution markets like Netflix, Itunes, Youtube…etc are all dependent on internet connectivity and bandwith. It is not a coincidence that 2 days after Netflix announced availability to Canada that Rogers dropped thier Lite package from 25 gb a month to 15 gb a month.

    New TV’s are now internet capable right out of the box! I personally enjoy using my xbox360 to play online games, download demo’s and so on. There is an online service called Steam that allows you to buy and download PC games legally thus saving on the packaging and inherently helping the environment. The point I am trying to make is that the person who used only 8 mb a month will eventually use more. Technology is pushing towards that end. The internet has become a distribution line for much more then just information.

    UBB is not about having the heavy user pay more, It’s about having all of us pay more for less.
    I suggest they raise the bandwith caps to something reasonable. I would be happy with 200gb a month. At some point It should just be a connection fee like your tv or phone. I dont get charged extra for watching TV all day do I?

  • Danielruh

    Funny statistic, considering TekSavvy estimates that 50% of their customers would be over this limit.

  • Josh

    Sir, where do you live? Because this is what many people in my area (Vancouver, Canada) are dealing with, on top of UBB.

    – HST. From what I understand, British Columbia has the highest tax rate in all Canada.
    – Annually increasing transit fares with no improvement in service.
    – Student debt from “first world” universities
    – Property prices in downtown and suburban areas affordable only by foreigners.

    Not to mention the jobless, who are no doubt chasing job leads all day on the internet now have to pay for their efforts to become employed. Try to be a little bit more sympathetic to other people’s situations.

  • I’m from Johannesburg, South Africa. Where telecommunication costs are sky-high, unemployment well over 30%, HIV/AIDS a massive problem, and a government minister is spearheading an effort to ban internet pornography. (We don’t have to deal with much snow, I grant you that).

    I DO try to be sympathetic. But may I suggest you try to keep your 1st world problems in perspective?

  • Adgirl

    Company troll alert! Everything you’ve written reads like it’s from a corporate script. You are clearly on here to spread the telecoms message of mis-information to the average Canadian.

    All that crap about the Internet infrastructure – that infrastructure was subsided by Canadian Tax Payers. Furthermore, the telecoms were given a Capital Cost Allowance “rate of 30% data network infrastructure equipment and systems software for that equipment if acquired after March 22, 2004. If acquired before March 23, 2004,”..20% – http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/bsnss/tpcs/slprtnr/rprtng/cptl/dprcbl-eng.html#class46

    UBB is NOT about the cost of keeping up the infrastructure. It’s about pushing people off the Internet & back to TV – something that Rogers/Bell makes a lot more money off.

  • ISP Guy

    Why don’t you state who you work for?

    I work for an ISP as well. We would be lesser known for the Residential market, but we are quite prominent in retail/business connections. The company is called ACI (Accelerated Connections Inc), and we are a proud founding member of CNOC, who is the leading force behind the fight against UBB to the CRTC.

    If you are stating you work for an ISP, why not be proud of it, as opposed to hiding behind a vauge description?

  • phattlmann

    The argument of “I use less, I should pay less” is relatively mute.
    There are already packages in place for this. If you look at nearly every Incumbent ISP (Bell, Rogers, Telus, etc), they offer tiered packages, usually in the fashion of “Lite”, “Regular”, “Ultra” per say. Each package gives you more speed and transfer.

    If you are a light user, and wish for a cheap connection, a package such as theirs is the way to go.
    If you are a heavier user, you also have choices, although, do not be fooled, as they have limits as well.

    Third party ISPs (the competitive carriers/CLECs) generally offer one standard package across the board of unlimited service. This is because they pay the same costs to companies such as Bell/Telus/Rogers/etc to lease the last mile (as it’s called) to the client’s premises, as these companies own the infrastructure. Why charge clients more/less for the same service?

    This is also what sparks competition and fair pricing in the market. Bell/Rogers/Telus could essentially charge whatever they want for service if there was no competition. Because of companies such as Teksavvy, Primus, etc, they must stay relatively competitive.

    By having this ruling in place, it completely levels the playing field. ALL companies are forced to charge the same amount or more for their services, and provide the EXACT same or LESS service than Bell/Rogers/Telus. The big 3 are able to provide faster speeds, more usage and a cheaper price, squeezing out the competition.

    Why is it that a Bell Wholeseller (like Primus, Teksavvy, etc) is NOT able to offer the same 25mbps service that Bell does it it’s clients? Simple. If you look at Bell’s website right now, they are offering 25mbps service, with 75GB cap. Other companies can not offer that, as the CRTC has ruled that Bell is allowed premium services, and does NOT have to allow others access to them. Further, they are offering more bandwidth than their resellers are allowed.

    This has abolished competition. Period.
    While this may not come as a big shock or a problem for SOME, it is for others.
    The problem will come for others when Bell flexes more muscle and quickly begins snuffing out certain types of traffic completely. They currently throttle P2P traffic, as they claim that it causes strain on their network. They resolved this strain with their “DPI” (Deep Packet Inspection). So, if this was working, then why are they implementing UBB? Bell has made reference to P2P being used to share pirated material.. I find that misleading as well.

    I am not able to download and/or seed files such as Linux distributions at proper speeds between 4:30pm and 2:00am daily. I am not able to obtain proper transfer speeds for legitimate indie movies,

    What the CRTC has not considered in it’s scope of impact is that of theft that will occur.
    Any open WiFi network will be pillaged and for lack of a better word, raped for it’s bandwidth.
    That particular user will suddenly get an overage bill of hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars. Protected networks will be hacked. It is very simple to crack WEP, and still even possible to crack WPA. People will begin doing this, to pump as much information through OTHER networks than their own. Coffee shops and Wifi hotspots will be overloaded with users trying to offload their high bandwidth transfers to other connections to avoid their meter rolling up. Those not so technically inclined will be caught with enormous bills due to technically savvy (and not so ‘ethical’) users.

    This is essentially like them raising the cost of gas so high once you buy more than 50L a month, that it’s ridiculous to drive. However, them openly inviting those who can’t afford the exorbitant costs of gas to have their car towed by others (unknowning to them!) or for them to simply jump on the roof/hood of other cars (again, unknowing to the other car!) as a mode of transportation. If such a thing was to happen, you’d have near anarchy on the roads. The CRTC’s decision has essentially opened the doors to this, only in a digital way.

    WRITE YOUR MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT.
    Call your MP.
    Go to a city hall meeting and speak up!
    Stand tall, stand united, and show the country that it’s citizens WILL NOT stand for this.

    Although the CRTC has made a ruling, it CAN be overturned.
    We have to stand united and strong for that to happen however.

  • handy

    monopoly at it’s best , stop that shit , abolish this ruling its not fair

  • BATsTM

    This discussion is not about WHAT you download, or how MUCH you download it is quite simply the fact that, regardless of the Tier of Internet service you pay for, UBB will allow Pimary ISP’s the power to muscle out the ISP resellers GAS (Gateway Access Services) companies like acanac, teksavvy, cia etc. aka all competition in the ISP market. I was a formerly with Bell High Speed Internet, I started with a 5mbps DSL service at under $30,/month and watched the rates climb, and climb… and climb, until my bill was $61. I had enough and switched to a GAS company for $16 a month. That’s a big difference, and that is what we will be losing. GAS companies can NOT survive with UBB pricing. So for the guy that downloads 4MB a month [you clearly don’t know how much bandwidth you are actually using], you will soon be paying $60+ dollars a month for your Internet… Simply because GAS companies will not exist. Bell will own you…

  • stefan

    I’d understand UBB if it was more reasonable. 100GB for $50+ is not reasonable. It costs Shaw under $5… maximum $10 for network maintenance and traffic to provide me with 100gb. My normal traffic usage is 200-300gb / month. I’ll probably start stealing internet from neighboring wireless access points (either free or weak encryption). Yes… this is what it has come down to because of #UBB. People who download 1….2TB a month should be charged. I think Shaw extreme should have a cap of at least 300-400 gb…. and some people will not be happy… those that do terabytes of traffic… I don’t mind for them to get charged… just have more decent limits… but then again … Shaw wants to get EVERYONE that uses netflix etc…. so fuck Shaw

  • Flaxx

    The “1st world” is what it is because we deal with problems in a pragmatic way and aim for systematic improvement (sometimes motivated by greed, but improvement none-the-less) instead of the “well, it’s Africa” mentality. Before you spin off your prejudice on me and Canadian culture, realize I was born in South African and lived there for several years, so I’m fully aware of its problems as well as the influence of the “west” to help suppress Africa, but at a certain point your problems are because of YOUR attitude. The first world didn’t magically become that by selectively thinking “this problem is too little, who cares”.

    This is no small problem. The internet is extremely important for maintaining the infrastructure that exists as well as the the future economy which is what separates the first world from the third. Are there bigger problems in the world? Absolutely. But this forum is dealing with THIS problem. Keep that perspective in mind before you comment.

  • tl;dr. Also: meh

  • Sat

    why you are paying a lumsum for phone every month.Tell them to bill you as UBB

  • Comcast Cable was allowing 500GB of data per month. Unless you using Bittorrent 24/7 for seeding, I don’t think most home users could exceed the limit in a 30 day period. I think metered is fine, but just make the limit a bit higher than what some ISPs have been suggesting. I think 500GB is reasonable for the next few years.

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  • Powerboy0001

    Again the average consumer and small business people in this country will pay more for a service that has become so popular and some people feel so part of their daily lives (they are addicted) that they cannot do without the internet and will surely end up making already profitable businesses even richer.
    I can also understand that the businesses involved feel that someone else should bear some if not all of the cost of their need to continue to expand and upgrade to meet th increasing demands placed on them due to increased usage.

    However there is no way for the average consumer to guage usage above their contract limits in place at the present moment. Personally I feel that it is another way to add extra monies at the consumers expense without even insuring that these added funds would be used to improve or increase service to their existing internet clients.

    If all internet providers are allowed to do so let it be through fair business practice of competition. Let them provide there services as they do know. Packages with options for all and let the consumer choose the best plan for them personally and pay for it accordingly.

    Shame on a Canadian institution as the CRTC to bow to pressure of big business and not that of the Canadain population that actually pays their salary and allows them to operate on their behalf.

  • Powerboy0001

    Again the average consumer and small business people in this country will pay more for a service that has become so popular and some people feel so part of their daily lives (they are addicted) that they cannot do without the internet and will surely end up making already profitable businesses even richer.
    I can also understand that the businesses involved feel that someone else should bear some if not all of the cost of their need to continue to expand and upgrade to meet th increasing demands placed on them due to increased usage.

    However there is no way for the average consumer to guage usage above their contract limits in place at the present moment. Personally I feel that it is another way to add extra monies at the consumers expense without even insuring that these added funds would be used to improve or increase service to their existing internet clients.

    If all internet providers are allowed to do so let it be through fair business practice of competition. Let them provide there services as they do know. Packages with options for all and let the consumer choose the best plan for them personally and pay for it accordingly.

    Shame on a Canadian institution as the CRTC to bow to pressure of big business and not that of the Canadain population that actually pays their salary and allows them to operate on their behalf.

  • Diamond_dallas_greek

    see what the Government is doing this is a PART of the NERW WORLD ORDER to dumb down society and stop using the net and get us paying for it’s usage the Gov knows there are lotsa stupid canadian’s especially the youth’s that are more into playing game’s on there iphone and etc and are dumb founded they are out there that they can control threw it’s taxes limit them on the net is what they are doing the NWO is out to get us alll and then the amount you drive threw there carbon tax is next and rise of prices which is next enough is enough … it’s becomes George orwells world 1984 with a TOTALITARIAN Governement 20% of people are smart too see this threw and majority rather play the wii at home on there 55 inch plasma and go on welfare or work for min wages and not make ends meet gosh people have to wake up ,,, please people dont be a fool and be stupid and have the givernemnt control our lives read books and know there world and the lies and the manipulation in taxes and fight back dont be a push over or were all lost

  • Diamond_dallas_greek

    Man brother this is becoming like George orwells dream comming alive sooner they will have control on all of us the amount we drive and carbon tax us is the next thing when they see us being push over’s they will do another one on all of us it could be that holly wood is fighting back threw us and canadian lobbying to the crtc from there loss of money see how a small thing controls all of us i be you somone in hollywood payed somone in parliament to get this going on to all of us and they are hoping they can pull it off canadian are not protestors like european’s like greek’s in athens and other nation’s we should be making it heard but i am the only one in line next to you in this cause and beleive me im sorry to say this but me and you ahve litterally lost or breath in canada

  • Jam Can

    I am retired so I probably use my computer more than I should, especially in the winters. And because I am retired and on a fixed income, twenty or thirty extra dollars a month is a lot of money to me. (Start putting that thirty bucks a month into an RRSP towards your retirement, Internet Provider Girl.)

    I got a call from Rogers recently informing me that I was going over my limit of 60 gig per month and suggesting I increase to 80 gig for another ten bucks a month…. an introductory increase for one year, after which it goes up again.

    I was shocked that I had been paying Rogers an average of about twenty bucks a month in excess fees…… (because I had just recently moved to Rogers and arranged to pay by monthly deductions from my account, I had not noticed)

    I learned from Rogers that my neighbours may have been using my account (WiFi) and that I ought to secure it…… first time I heard about that one….but hey, I did what they suggested and password protected it.

    And I also learned that anything that I look at on the net…. for example a video on Utube is regarded as a DOWNLOAD….. dig into it and you would be amazed at what constitutes a down load. A joke that a friend passes you counts as a down load…..

    In the US of A, the average monthly max is 250 gig…. and here, we are subjected to maximums as low as 20gig and a premium plan is considered 80 gig.

    There are many users who, as you point out, use very few gigs per month, and they don’t get a discount…. so if I go over a bit, why should I have to pay extra.

    The Government needs to exert some control over these providers.

  • Saturnseeker

    you talk about aids ,it is almost 100% preventable,I feel no sympathy for any one with it as it takes money away from cancer research,keep it in your pants ,no aids lol

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    DisLike!!!!!

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