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Rogers LTE/4G in 2010: All-in-One Voice/Data Plans?

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Hello iPhoneinCanada.ca Readers!

Hello everyone, first of all I’d like to introduce myself, my name is Josh Davies and my friends call me Shave. I’ve been visiting iPhoneinCanada.ca for a while now and was so impressed I begged Gary to let me write a few articles for him.

I’ve been hacking my iPhone 3G since day 1 and I also have a Computer Engineering background so hopefully I can help with any of your jailbreaking needs.

Thoughts on the Evolution of Upcoming Rogers LTE

The first topic I’d like to talk about is the 4G or Long Term Evolution (LTE) network, which Rogers will be moving to in the near future. I’ve been reading for a while now about a call Rogers held regarding their plans to launch the new LTE network initially in Vancouver in time for the 2010 Olympics and the rest of Canada by Q2 2010.

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The day after this report came out Rogers denied any such call even though the audio from the call has been posted online.

Since then I haven’t seen much about whether the call actually happened or any more tentative dates on the LTE launch. But, with the recent release of Skype for the iPhone, I started to think about this again.

LTE Explained in a Nutshell

The LTE network will be packet-based, all IP, basically meaning any voice service carried over these networks takes the form of IP packets, LTE creates an all-data cell network and has lower lag, a voice call is ‘just an app’ like anything else.

This raises a few questions,

  1. Will data prices drop?
  2. Could we theoretically drop our voice plans and use data plans only?
  3. Will Skype or other VoIP apps be allowed in the Canadian App Store? Did Rogers have anything to do with it not being there in the first place?

The quality of Skype calls should increase drastically and you could theoretically use Skype for all your calls, saving money on your monthly minute allowances and of course your long distance costs.

The current version of Skype works great over wifi and works pretty darn good on 3G but it is still not at the quality level of a regular voice call. With LTE this could all change.

The Future of Wireless in Canada with LTE Voice/Data Plans

One of the biggest reasons Rogers and AT&T will take their sweet time rolling out LTE is that they currently make most of their money from voice plans, and separate data plans.

With LTE, we could pay a monthly fee for data and use this data any way we please. I’m personally very excited for this!!

What are your thoughts on the new LTE/4G network and how data plans may change? Would you use a VoIP client to do all your calling if the quality increased?

Check back for my updates soon and follow me on twitter @joshjadavies

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  • Ryan Wilson

    Great post, very informative, and I may be able to give a little insight to the lack of release of Skype in Canada (personally I use Skype over 3G on my iPhone, pretty solid, but that’s besides the point). Apparently Skype isn’t in Canada “because of patent-licence restrictions … that it is a patent issue related to Skype” (from cbc.ca). I also read that it may have something to do with CRTC regulations, including why Canada doesn’t have an option for a Skype-in number, because it doesn’t offer “enhanced 911 services”. That can also be found in the article. Hope it helps!

    The whole article is here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/30/skype-iphone.html

  • Ryan Wilson

    Great post, very informative, and I may be able to give a little insight to the lack of release of Skype in Canada (personally I use Skype over 3G on my iPhone, pretty solid, but that’s besides the point). Apparently Skype isn’t in Canada “because of patent-licence restrictions … that it is a patent issue related to Skype” (from cbc.ca). I also read that it may have something to do with CRTC regulations, including why Canada doesn’t have an option for a Skype-in number, because it doesn’t offer “enhanced 911 services”. That can also be found in the article. Hope it helps!

    The whole article is here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/30/skype-iphone.html

  • Ryan Wilson

    Great post, very informative, and I may be able to give a little insight to the lack of release of Skype in Canada (personally I use Skype over 3G on my iPhone, pretty solid, but that’s besides the point). Apparently Skype isn’t in Canada “because of patent-licence restrictions … that it is a patent issue related to Skype” (from cbc.ca). I also read that it may have something to do with CRTC regulations, including why Canada doesn’t have an option for a Skype-in number, because it doesn’t offer “enhanced 911 services”. That can also be found in the article. Hope it helps!

    The whole article is here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/30/skype-iphone.html

  • Ryan Wilson

    Great post, very informative, and I may be able to give a little insight to the lack of release of Skype in Canada (personally I use Skype over 3G on my iPhone, pretty solid, but that’s besides the point). Apparently Skype isn’t in Canada “because of patent-licence restrictions … that it is a patent issue related to Skype” (from cbc.ca). I also read that it may have something to do with CRTC regulations, including why Canada doesn’t have an option for a Skype-in number, because it doesn’t offer “enhanced 911 services”. That can also be found in the article. Hope it helps!

    The whole article is here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/30/skype-iphone.html

  • Justin

    I might consider this greatly if the price is right. For iTouch user, this would be awesome!

  • Justin

    I might consider this greatly if the price is right. For iTouch user, this would be awesome!

  • Justin

    I might consider this greatly if the price is right. For iTouch user, this would be awesome!

  • Justin

    I might consider this greatly if the price is right. For iTouch user, this would be awesome!

  • Great indeed, from the consumer’s end. But l doubt that Rogers will lead the way with an all-in offer, at least not before a few giants do so around the world. Notwithstanding the arrival of new competitors that will surely shake the ground a little, do expect Canada to be last. Again.

  • Guest

    Hey Josh! Good post. Interesting, but well see if Rogers will follow through with this.

  • Guest

    Hey Josh! Good post. Interesting, but well see if Rogers will follow through with this.

  • Dusty

    Hey Josh! Good post. Interesting, but well see if Rogers will follow through with this.

  • John H

    I highly doubt they will go to all data plans. There must be a way in the 4g standards to know if one packet is a voice call initiated by a 4g phone or just a regular data packet. I assume when a call is initiated from a 4g phone there is a packet that tells the company when the cal begins and when the call drops or the phone hangs up another packet is sent telling them when it ended. Hence they will still be able to bill you for the minutes you use. I obviously don’t know if this is true or not but it does seem like the most feasible solution from a carrier standpoint. If this is not the case I will be VERY VERY surprised.

  • John H

    I highly doubt they will go to all data plans. There must be a way in the 4g standards to know if one packet is a voice call initiated by a 4g phone or just a regular data packet. I assume when a call is initiated from a 4g phone there is a packet that tells the company when the cal begins and when the call drops or the phone hangs up another packet is sent telling them when it ended. Hence they will still be able to bill you for the minutes you use. I obviously don’t know if this is true or not but it does seem like the most feasible solution from a carrier standpoint. If this is not the case I will be VERY VERY surprised.

  • John H

    I highly doubt they will go to all data plans. There must be a way in the 4g standards to know if one packet is a voice call initiated by a 4g phone or just a regular data packet. I assume when a call is initiated from a 4g phone there is a packet that tells the company when the cal begins and when the call drops or the phone hangs up another packet is sent telling them when it ended. Hence they will still be able to bill you for the minutes you use. I obviously don’t know if this is true or not but it does seem like the most feasible solution from a carrier standpoint. If this is not the case I will be VERY VERY surprised.

  • John H

    I highly doubt they will go to all data plans. There must be a way in the 4g standards to know if one packet is a voice call initiated by a 4g phone or just a regular data packet. I assume when a call is initiated from a 4g phone there is a packet that tells the company when the cal begins and when the call drops or the phone hangs up another packet is sent telling them when it ended. Hence they will still be able to bill you for the minutes you use. I obviously don’t know if this is true or not but it does seem like the most feasible solution from a carrier standpoint. If this is not the case I will be VERY VERY surprised.

  • John H

    I highly doubt they will go to all data plans. There must be a way in the 4g standards to know if one packet is a voice call initiated by a 4g phone or just a regular data packet. I assume when a call is initiated from a 4g phone there is a packet that tells the company when the cal begins and when the call drops or the phone hangs up another packet is sent telling them when it ended. Hence they will still be able to bill you for the minutes you use. I obviously don’t know if this is true or not but it does seem like the most feasible solution from a carrier standpoint. If this is not the case I will be VERY VERY surprised.

  • I agree, I don’t think this is something Rogers or any other carrier will hand over easily, as I mentioned most of their money is made from voice plans. At the end of the day all we can do is be as informed as possible. I do think this is eventually the direction we are headed.

  • I agree, I don’t think this is something Rogers or any other carrier will hand over easily, as I mentioned most of their money is made from voice plans. At the end of the day all we can do is be as informed as possible. I do think this is eventually the direction we are headed.

  • I agree, I don’t think this is something Rogers or any other carrier will hand over easily, as I mentioned most of their money is made from voice plans. At the end of the day all we can do is be as informed as possible. I do think this is eventually the direction we are headed.

  • I agree, I don’t think this is something Rogers or any other carrier will hand over easily, as I mentioned most of their money is made from voice plans. At the end of the day all we can do is be as informed as possible. I do think this is eventually the direction we are headed.

  • Good post, however, as of 2007, more revenue comes from Data plans to the carriers. Whether that is from data only add-ons or voice/data combo plans.
    The money has always been in data services.

  • Good post, however, as of 2007, more revenue comes from Data plans to the carriers. Whether that is from data only add-ons or voice/data combo plans.
    The money has always been in data services.

  • Good post, however, as of 2007, more revenue comes from Data plans to the carriers. Whether that is from data only add-ons or voice/data combo plans.
    The money has always been in data services.

  • Good post, however, as of 2007, more revenue comes from Data plans to the carriers. Whether that is from data only add-ons or voice/data combo plans.
    The money has always been in data services.

  • Good post, however, as of 2007, more revenue comes from Data plans to the carriers. Whether that is from data only add-ons or voice/data combo plans.
    The money has always been in data services.

  • Interesting, from what I read carriers still made the majority of their money charging by the minute for voice plans. This is in the U.S. but, one of the quotes I read was, “In 2008, data services still generated only 22 percent of U.S. mobile carrier revenue, according to the CTIA trade association.”

  • Interesting, from what I read carriers still made the majority of their money charging by the minute for voice plans. This is in the U.S. but, one of the quotes I read was, “In 2008, data services still generated only 22 percent of U.S. mobile carrier revenue, according to the CTIA trade association.”

  • Interesting, from what I read carriers still made the majority of their money charging by the minute for voice plans. This is in the U.S. but, one of the quotes I read was, “In 2008, data services still generated only 22 percent of U.S. mobile carrier revenue, according to the CTIA trade association.”

  • Interesting, from what I read carriers still made the majority of their money charging by the minute for voice plans. This is in the U.S. but, one of the quotes I read was, “In 2008, data services still generated only 22 percent of U.S. mobile carrier revenue, according to the CTIA trade association.”

  • float_world

    Good post! I’m yet to see Rogers lead on anything so I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure if a US or international carrier made a major push for something like this Rogers would follow. 5 years later.

  • float_world

    Good post! I’m yet to see Rogers lead on anything so I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure if a US or international carrier made a major push for something like this Rogers would follow. 5 years later.

  • float_world

    Good post! I’m yet to see Rogers lead on anything so I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure if a US or international carrier made a major push for something like this Rogers would follow. 5 years later.

  • float_world

    Good post! I’m yet to see Rogers lead on anything so I won’t hold my breath. I’m sure if a US or international carrier made a major push for something like this Rogers would follow. 5 years later.

  • Yea, and that is getting higher each year. For all the carriers, in Canada atleast, and their respective third party franchisers, data services is where the money is and will continue to be in the future.

  • Yea, and that is getting higher each year. For all the carriers, in Canada atleast, and their respective third party franchisers, data services is where the money is and will continue to be in the future.

  • Yea, and that is getting higher each year. For all the carriers, in Canada atleast, and their respective third party franchisers, data services is where the money is and will continue to be in the future.

  • Yea, and that is getting higher each year. For all the carriers, in Canada atleast, and their respective third party franchisers, data services is where the money is and will continue to be in the future.

  • Yea, and that is getting higher each year. For all the carriers, in Canada atleast, and their respective third party franchisers, data services is where the money is and will continue to be in the future.

  • Tim

    Ahahahahahah … I’m with float_world

  • Tim

    Ahahahahahah … I’m with float_world

  • Tim

    Ahahahahahah … I’m with float_world

  • Tim

    Ahahahahahah … I’m with float_world

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