Poll: You Going to Buy an Unlocked iPhone 4 in Canada?

Last night the Apple Store went down and when it came back up–some changes occurred (aside from a refreshed Mac Mini). We read about how the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 will now be sold UNLOCKED from Apple when you buy them outright. Once again, the wording goes as follows:

When you purchase your iPhone from the Apple Online Store, you’ll get it commitment-free. So you can sign up for service with the carrier of your choice and change your carrier at any time.

It works internationally.
Because this iPhone is commitment-free, you can purchase a micro-SIM or SIM card and service from a local carrier at your destination. Or check with your home carrier regarding international roaming charges.

Canadians: The Shackles Have Come Loose

This is news is huge for Canadians. No longer will we be forced to use carrier locked phones to Rogers, Telus and Bell. Previously, getting an unlocked GSM phone meant paying full price for an out of country phone, or paying extra to get it unlocked from the ‘Big 3’ (if they even acknowledged you).

The reason for Apple’s change to factory unlocked units? I place it solely on the Google Nexus One being sold factory unlocked during its launch and the fact Apple sold the iPad 3G unlocked. These two events hinted that Apple would sell their iPhones unlocked. Many predicted Apple would match Google (including myself) and this makes travelling now with an iPhone truly a dream.

Previously, the only countries where iPhones were sold unlocked were Hong Kong and Italy. Now, you can include Canada, the UK and France to that list. Oh, and our American friends? Doesn’t look like they are included in the exclusive “unlocked” club just yet.

Poll: Will You Pay Full Price for an Unlocked iPhone 4 in Canada?

The iPhone 3GS is being sold unlocked for $549. We can assume from this price the iPhone 4 will be sold outright for $649/749 for the 16GB/32GB models. This is a small price to pay for freedom. What will you do?


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  • Rustybarnacle

    If you jailbreak, can't you unlock your phone for travelling?

  • I would love to but I don't have a credit card to order from the online store and it's sounding like only the ones from Apple's store will be unlocked. I guess I'm going to spend the time between now and when we can order trying to find a way to order one.

  • Not everyone likes to jailbreak their phones though.

  • Maverick Lam

    Two years ago, my wife got a factory unlocked brand new Nokia N82 from HK for $4800HKD ($750CDN). So, I think the price is about right for this future factory unlocked iPhone 4. However, I think it's still going take sometimes for our market to adjust to that since we are always spoiled by free phones with contract.

  • Etdashou

    Mon iPhone fonctionne-t-il avec n’importe quelle carte SIM ou n’importe quel opérateur dans le monde ?L’iPhone 3GS utilise des cartes SIM et l’iPhone 4 des cartes micro-SIM fournies par les opérateurs compatibles (cartes prépayées incluses). L’iPhone n’est pas pris en charge par les réseaux non GSM. Les données 3G sont disponibles uniquement si votre opérateur prend en charge les fréquences radio utilisées par l’iPhone.

    Is my iPhone will work with any kind of SIM card or with any service provider in the world?
    The iPhone 3GS use SIM cards and the iPhone 4 use micro-SIM cards provided by the compatible providers (pre-paid cards included). The iPhone is not compatible with non-GMS network. The 3G data plan are available only if your service provide is using the same radio frequency as the iPhone.

  • Yep, completely agree. It's tough for some to pay the unlocked price up front, especially when carriers are dangling that subsidized $199 price point in front of you on a 3 year contract.

  • Yeah, but like Kaitlyn said jailbreaking is something that most casual iPhone users avoid.

  • xyber

    The Canadian Apple store also has the phrase “It works internationally” on their website so it must be truly unlocked.

  • xxl

    does anyone remember the tethered jailbreak/unlock we suffered through (and in some cases still suffering through) with ths 3gs last november ? factory unlocked iphones, this is amazing news .

  • Maverick Lam

    Jailbreak – so that you can use third party apps other than OEM Apple.
    Unlock – so that you can use service from all other carriers. Great for travelling.

    I unlocked my 3GS (3.1.2/5.11) last time during at overseas. It was useable but slightly unstable. Other users reported from no issues at all to totally doesn't work. So a factory unlocked with warranty is the best situation but not really everyone needs it from the current market.

  • Posted update, I am blind. Confirmed. *claps hands*

  • Honestly… I don't travel that often that getting SIMs/plans from other countries is economically smart and I haven't had issues with my carrier (so far), so I'll not really willing to pay close $600+ for something that will probably be out of date within a year.

  • On the other hand, I am glad there is that option for Canadians now. It's too bad the two new carriers don't operate 3G frequencies that the iPhone is compatible with but if you can live with lower speeds you're good to go.

  • Joker Eh

    Freedom? I don't consider Bell or Telus service any kind of freedom. Has anyone here ever called the customer service line for Bell? Please.

  • It's not only casual iPhone users who avoid jailbreaking. I am a hardcore iPhone user, wanted one from the time the original one came out in the US and I've had my 3G since the first month they were out, but it's never been jailbroken. I honestly just don't want to play the back and forth game or wait to upgrade to a new software update.

  • wuju

    unlock phones has the freedom to travel internationally and great for resale value.

  • Craig

    Just curious what people's thoughts are on why a carrier like Rogers or Telus wouldn't be willing to sell a subsidized unlocked iPhone 4 when you sign a multi-year contract. I am aware that they would be losing out on international roaming charges (if you're silly enough pay $2/min or whatever their exorbitant rates are) but they have you in a binding contract for X years so they would recoup their subsidy the same as if they sold you a locked phone.

  • Jonbabbitt

    If the subsidized value of the phone is $600, then over the 36 month contract, I think that's ~$16 a month for the subsidy. Therefore, if I purchase the entire iPhone 4 outright, I should get $16 off my contract. Yet the companies will not take $16 off, so then I won't buy the phone outright because I would end up paying for it twice.

  • I've got no choice but to buy the phone outright, seeing as I have to wait a full 24 months to upgrade with Rogers. I had to get my 3GS from Apple Executive Relations.

  • een

    The thing for me is, if the B3 offered a 2 year contract a la in the US then I'd sign on.
    3 years? Screw that. Tech changes too fast for that.

    We have a year left in our 36 months.

    My wife and I will buy outright and, if Jonbabbit is correct, see what kind of cost concession we can wring out of Bell for NOT going subsidized pricing. Probably won't work but I will NOT sign on for 3 years ever again.

    een

  • een

    Is it just me or is only the 8GB 3GS available from the Canadian Apple Store?

    een

  • Hedinn

    Exactly.

  • Hornekelsey

    hahah ROGERS now you dont have as much power. CANT WAIT

  • Invid

    I had one of the original AT&T iPhones and it was jailbroken so that I could use it here in Canada. I have a 3GS now that's jailbroken. I honestly couldn't imagine using an iPhone that's not been jailbroken, it just adds so much utility to a good phone and makes it a great phone.

    You don't have to wait to upgrade ever – unless you don't want to give up your jailbreak. The fact that so many jailbreakers do wait is a testament to how much jailbreaking adds to the phone. We don't wait because we must. We wait because the jailbreak enhancements are worth the (usually short) wait.

  • “We read about how the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 will now be sold UNLOCKED from Apple when you buy them outright.”

    I don't see anything at that link about how the iPhone 4 will be sold unlocked. Did Apple confirm this?

  • I've spent a lot of time considering jailbreaking and never once found a good enough reason for me personally. I love my stable iPhone and don't have a need to jailbreak. That doesn't mean other people don't have reasons, but just because some people jailbreak doesn't mean that people who prefer not to won't benefit from an unlocked phone.

  • mackman6151

    micro-sim or sim? do they both work on the iphone 4?!

  • CM

    From what I saw in the Apple keynote, they won't offer 16GB and 32GB 3GS anymore.

  • Jbohn

    So now when I buy an unlocked iPhone from Apple, how much is Rogers going to charge me for a sim card which obviously is not included with the phone?

  • Invid

    Certainly. An unlocked iPhone has greater appeal than just to jailbreakers.

    I just took exception to your characterizing jailbreaking as somehow limiting your ability to upgrade. It doesn't and never has. Stability is what you make it too.

    I've fixed the horrid notification system on the iPhone and added quick access to my most commonly used settings (screen lock, brightness, 3G, tethering, etc.). Multitasking for my music and radio streaming for over a year now etc.

    I love the way Apple implements features, but until they get around to the features that are missing, I can fix them myself. If the iPhone meets all your needs as is, more power to you.

    😉

  • Ex

    Micro-SIM works in the iPhone 4.
    SIM was for the iPhone 3G/3GS

  • StuckWith3G

    Since they're selling them unlocked now, will they give us the codes to unlock our current iphones??

  • lello91

    Présentement avec les iPhone 3G et 3GS acheté chez un des 3 gros opérateurs ( Rogers, Bell et Telus), ton cellulaire est seulement actif chez la compagnie respective. Cependant, il existe des solutions “illegales” qui te permettent de unlock ton cellulaire et l'utiliser sur n'importe quel réseau au monde. Cependant, tu dois jailbreak ton cell pour sa.

  • rorypiper

    So, everyone here is thinking if you buy iPhone 4 from a carrier, instead of from Apple, it will be locked to that carrier? Does that make sense for Apple to do that? It is locked to AT&T in the US. It's being shipped unlocked to Canada, so would the device become locked to your carrier, upon activation? Personally, I think all iPhones will be unlocked, but you get the subsidized price for signing the hefty contract.

  • dudemaster

    I was going to buy an unlocked iPhone in Italy when I'm there in September. However, I will buy it in Canada if it's unlocked…

  • CG

    Buying outright makes the most sense if you want to upgrade as much as possible and not planning to live in Canada forever.

  • Joker Eh

    Why would you have a contract if you buy your phone outright? That makes no sense anyway you put it. But because I am willing to stay with them for at least 3 years then they will give me a discount on a purchase of a phone. Its so simple.

    I just don't get why people get all up in arms over this.

  • Joker Eh

    If you have a contract then your phone is locked to that carrier for the life of the contract. Similar to a lease. Once your contract is up and you wish to leave you can get carrier to unlock it.

  • brent

    Buying outright makes the most sense if you don't use the Internet while away from wifi sources but don't want to be forced to pay a $25/month data plan for 3 years totalling $900 plus the “subsidized ” $200 that's $1100 for a 16Gb 3GS compared to $549 for the just announced 8GB 3GS which also comes pre-installed with iOS 4.

  • Pat

    HELP!!!!! WILL THE PRICE BE MORE TO BUY IT UNLOCKED COMPARED TO BUYING IT OUTRIGHT FROM ROGERS/BELL/TELUS???? WILL THE IPHONE 4 BE AVAILABLE AT BEST BUYS AND FUTURE SHOPS IN CANADA?????

    THANKS

    ps: sorry bout caps

  • TeenWolf

    The unlocked phone forces the big 3 to up the stakes. If they want to retain customers they'll have to provide better service and support. If I can take my phone to any carrier I'd like Rogers is going to have to keep me happy to keep my business. That's not just pricing but also coverage and customer service.

    It also adds a higher resale value. I can sell to any one on any carrier and they don't have to worry about the cat and mouse jailbreak/unlock game. I sold my 3G to by my 3GS and I'll do the same to subsidise the cost of the iPhone 4.
    I'm so stoked. I may never sign a contract again.

  • Wolf

    What's the point of having the Iphone locked to a carrier ? ….
    Since you can cancel the contract at anytime and pay the cancelation fees … Does it make a difference if it is locked or unlocked ?

  • Craig

    Why should a phone be locked to a carrier when I've already signed a legal contract saying that I will pay them, at the very least, the buyout value of a contract over say, a three year term. If after a year I jump from Rogers to Telus I still have to pay them (what used to be) $20/month for the rest of the contract term which more than covers their subsidy. In my case, I'm going overseas for a couple months next year and if the phone is locked to Rogers I have to use their international roaming at $2/min for calls and $30/MB for data!

  • Joker Eh

    OK so you already have a contract? And you are going to buy the phone outright? then No the phone will not be tied to the carrier, just the sim card will be. Then you can go anywhere you like.

    Now if you already had a contract then you have to honor the contract or pay the fine to leave early liek you stated.

    So question, did you get a discount on a new phone when you entered into the contract?

  • Ed

    So I read all the posts here, desperately trying to find a financially valid reason to pay full price for an unlocked phone. I couldn't. So I don't understand the excitement. But I would LOVE to see an article written as to why this truly would be a benefit and how to accomplish that (type of services to sign up for, type of short term US services to get when traveling, etc).

    Here's my uneducated thinking…
    1. You still have to buy a plan. Chances are, the longer – the better price. Or are you just wishfully thinking that cell phone companies will lower rates if you already have a phone – even though no one has yet to succumb to the notion of lowering prices due to increased competition, and, presumably, will give a rats ass if you already own a phone.

    2. Traveling out of the country means you have to buy another plan – even if very short term (if there is such a thing), and may not be financially practical.

    3. People, for some reason don't like long contracts. Why? I got a reasonably sweet deal when the 3GS came out and I benefit from that for a full 3 years. As far as I know, I can't get that deal now! Regardless, the grass is definitely not greener on the other side of the fence. All Canadian carriers suck.

    4. Or is it that you hate not being able to upgrade to the latest phone each year? As I understood it, you don't HAVE TO get a 3 year plan.

    As mentioned, this is just my limited understanding. I gladly await to be corrected.

  • Christopher

    This is the only reason that I wouldn't buy the phone outright unlocked. I have no problem paying full price for a phone upfront but if I have to pay back what is essentially a loan built into my service fees for money that I never borrowed, there isn't much point in getting an unlocked phone (unless you're a big international roamer and your roaming fees saved would otherwise buy a brand new phone)

    Has anyone had any success in getting a SIM for a reasonable price from the big 3 with a discounted service plan if you bring your own phone? I would assume this would also mean that iPhone specific data features like visual voicemail wouldn't work.

  • kerv

    This is huge news. My 3gs was stolen last week and of course Rogers isn't going to help me with anything to replace it. I have 2yrs left on my contract with a cheaper EPP voice plan, so I might as well get an unlocked phone if I'm going to be paying full price to replace/upgrade anyways. This way I have an opportunity to get away from Rogers in 2yrs, plus have the freedom when I travel to not having to worry about anything.

  • Craig

    Re: travelling out of the country, all you would need is a prepaid SIM from a carrier who also carries the iPhone. This can be as low as $20 for a month of use.

  • Craig

    My question is really around why carriers even bother, or are allowed to, lock their phones. If I want an iPhone 4 for say $199, which is likely for the 16GB model, then shouldn't I be able to walk into any carrier and say, “I'm willing to pay you at least $720 ($20 x 36 months) for a three year contract, and in return, you give me about $600 or so off the full retail price of an unlocked phone.” They're guaranteed $720 even if I bail on day 2 of the contract.

    Don't have a contract at the moment so I could go either way. In my opinion it should be illegal to lock phones unless there is no way for the carrier to recoup their subsidy if you bolt.

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  • MR

    Sorry if I'm missing something, but what do you expect Rogers to do about your lost phone?

  • MR

    I'd rather have the phone subsidized, myself. I'll put the $300 saved by subsidizing towards “trading up” to an unlocked phone down the road if need be.

  • kerv

    I didn't expect Rogers to do anything. I lost the phone, I'm going to have to pay full price to replace it…. or hope that their upgrade pricing for the new iphone is somewhat subsidized.

  • Is it currently sold unlocked in the US??! Please let me know as I'm thinking of getting one and have some USD to play with.

  • Ex

    No

  • Itsmeegan

    i'm an American living in canada and still have my att contract for my 3gs iphone, but am ready to UNLOCK it and get a Telus sim card while waiting for the 4G to come out. Are you saying that i should cancel the att contract Before OR After I try to unlock it? any advice would rock my world. i've tried to gather the info from other posts but can't seem to put it all together.

  • Gilbreen

    I live in the US and would prefer to purchase an unlocked iPhone in lieu of one locked to AT&T.

    Can anyone recommend a reseller of GSM phones based in Canada that ships to the US?

  • nulzilla

    wait… the FAQ on the iPhone 4 page at Apple Canada says:
    “Are iPhone 4 and iPad micro-SIM cards interchangeable?
    No. Your iPad micro-SIM card will not work with your iPhone.”

    what's with that? why won't the same micro-SIM card work with both iPand and iPhone 4 ??

  • Ed

    I couldn't find this sort of thing on the AT&T site for the iPhone. “as low as $20” … Is that real world use … ex; talk/text/data?

  • chantellejoy

    This is exactly the situation I'm in. I simply can't afford the phone outright, so will have to re-contract.
    I'm one of the lucky few who has never had any issues with Rogers though, had them for 5 years, am willing to stay with them another 3.

  • chantellejoy

    This is a great question and I'm sure once the full details are avialble for when the iPhone is actually COMING to Canada, they'll list which retailers will be carrying it – at which point you can check on which ship to USA. 🙂

  • Ex

    The iPad SIM is provisioned for data only, not voice.

  • Xaroc

    I'm going to buy one for sure, but I never travel outside of Canada.
    So aside from Resale, it dosent matter if it's unlocked or not for me

  • Lee

    Why is this so confusing? I had been with Telus 1 year on my 3 year when the 3GS came out. I had no intention to renew so I bought it outright. I now have a year left on my contract so I fully plan on buying the iPhone 4 outright. Not sure why everyone is so willing to just renew another 3 years on their contract, that's a LONG time that things can change. I just bought a $200 android phone to use when I travel to the US so this is huge for me now, don't need that can use my iPhone 4 with AT&T. I don't think carriers make their plans with the price of a phone included, since some are cheap anyway and some are more so. If anything you're just getting the phone at a discount for agreeing to stay with them for 3 years. They make up the cost in your service fees but they aren't building the price of the phone into the fee, since a plan would be the same price whether you had a cheap smartphone or an iPhone.

  • Lee

    Just another thing to add to this, people saying 3 year contracts are good because you get your great rate for 3 years, how do you figure? With companies like Wind and Mobilicity out offering the same plans for WAY less than the top 3 so there's a very good chance Telus and Bell etc pricing will come down, yet you're stuck in a 3 year plan. Like I said I got mine over 2 years ago, then got iPhone when it first came out. They gave me call display and unlimited texts for free, the $15 plan which was good. Then a month later they started giving evenings and weekends from 6 as part of that plan and refused to give it to me because I was in my contract. My roomie renewed his contract, got something like $150 off, then a day later they changed it to $200 off and a week or two later it was $300 off. Called Telus, they wouldn't do anything because we already renewed. So you're all nuts if you think signing a contract means you're getting the best rates.

  • Xaroc

    I do the same thing. Buy the iPhone 4, sell 3GS for 400-500 you
    basically spend as much as you would on a contract without the
    strings. Freedom to come n go as you please

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • asdmd

    Is it really out, iphone 4 unlocked and where? I can’t seem to find it on apple.com or apple.ca. I have a US itunes account, I have a US credit card. For me re-signing another contract is neither here nor there, I would rather get it a month or two early and stay with my current rogers contract. The only issue is trying to get the micro card now, i’ll call rogers and see what they say. If someone could direct me to the ‘unlocked’ link, that would be great.

  • Ben Senise

    this is amazingly good news. i was not going to buy an iPhone in Canada since I wouldn't have been able to get an unlocked one. Many countries in the world sell non-simlocked iPhones. I would have just had to figure out a way to get one of them.
    plus, there is absolutely no way in hell that i would sign a three-year contract with anyone. THREE YEARS!?!?! That is ludicrous!!! what if a year down the line, another operator offers a great iPhone plan? with an unlocked phone and no contract i can take advantage of it. Or when iPhone 4x or 5 comes out??? three years is crazy long. Two years maybe. Three? no freakin' way.
    plus, i have a pre-paid ATT SIM for when i travel to the US which is many times a year. i need to be able to put it in my iPhone. I am not going to pay two-bucks a minute and another gazillion for data.

  • Christopher

    I'd like to see you get $400 to $500 for a 3GS when the carriers are selling them new for $99 (8GB model with a contract).

  • Lee

    I JUST sold my 3GS for $425 to a coworker. Was going to put it on eBay was watching used ones on Telus end, $466, so figure $425 the same after the service fees. So yeah lol. And to Xaroc that's exactly what I do, sell it and basically pay the same maybe a little more for what you'd pay to upgrade on contract and there you go new phone.

  • Christopher

    Carriers certainly do take into account that a portion of their service fee subsidizes the portion of the cost of the phone. The service fee doesn't change depending on the phone they give you but the initial cost you pay for the handset does. This is why some handsets are $0 (the subsidy covers the whole cost or more of the phone) while other handsets are $299. The handset subsidy built into the service fees are fixed while the cost of the handset is variable.

    Ever notice how the cost of the handset varies depending on how long your contract term is?

    What would be really cool is if the carriers would offer 1 or 2 year contracts with discounts if you bring your own phone to the table. In the end, they're not in business to make profit off the phones, they're in business to make profit off of their service.

  • Amazingly enough, no they aren't. We're actually one of the lucky ones. 🙂

  • Xaroc

    It's not hard. Sold my 16gb 3G this time last year for 425, blackberry
    bold before that for 450. Depends who your marketing to, and how you
    can offer it 😉

  • Xaroc

    It's the best, and smartest way in my mind 😀 good job
    People pay a lot of money for used phones to stay out of contracts

  • Mikealviano

    Question.
    IF you or anyone knows.
    If I buy the unlocked phone…can I continue on the plan I have..is there a way to get a micro sim and just switch my deal over to the new sim or better yet, I have heard you can just trim the simcard in the 3g and i'd be good to go.
    Does any of this make sense? is there a simple answer.
    Thank you.

  • Lee

    Might want to check telusmobility.com as well, says 3Gs 16GB no contract is $699.

  • Lee

    Might want to check telusmobility.com as well, says 3Gs 16GB no contract is $699.

  • Lee

    Might want to check telusmobility.com as well, says 3Gs 16GB no contract is $699.

  • Lee

    Might want to check telusmobility.com as well, says 3Gs 16GB no contract is $699.

  • Lee

    Might want to check telusmobility.com as well, says 3Gs 16GB no contract is $699.

  • Hedinn

    Dude, you have no idea how retention plans work, do you?

  • Hedinn

    Hehe yeah, Rogers will improve their coverage and customer service just so you don't leave them with your unlocked phone. 🙂

  • TeenWolf

    For me and me alone. I run this town. Lol.

  • tugs

    im confused, so if i buy my iphone 4 from rogers. its locked to rogers? or is an unlocked iphone, also will i have to purchase a new sim? or does it come with one?
    and for those who want an unlocked iphone 4, there will be a jailbreak and an unlock for it, I find my iphone to be more stable when it is jailbroken then it is stock, way more freedom,

  • Noahattic

    from what i know, you dont need to pay for the data plan if you are currently in a contract. but having a data plan is always a good thing. what i am doing right now is i sign it up when i need it. if i dont, i just call them to cancel it.

    buying a subsidized iphone makes more sense to me, what i would really like to see is those carriers allow us unlock the iphone officially if we sign up a 3 year contract with them. what's the point to lock the iphone forever? O2 in uk and those carriers in aus are doing the right thing.!

  • Ex

    Buying it from the carrier will mean the iPhone is locked to that
    carrier.

    You'll probably have to buy a SIM for the unlocked iPhone 4.

    Jailbroken is likely, unlock is unlikely since the device will be
    factory unlocked.

  • Noahattic

    this is exactly what i think. once we sign up the contract, those carriers are guaranteed to get the money what matter if we leave or stay. keeping the iphone locked doesn't make any sense for sure. this's illegal in hk and italy. that's why the iphones sold out there are unlocked. also, o2 in uk allows users unlocked their iphone once they are in the contract.

  • Xaroc

    Let's all remember that the iPhone 4 may have a new bootrom again just
    like the 3Gs did. So jail breaking might be unavailable for a while.

  • SF

    I am pretty sure you can just go to the fido/rogers store and ask for a micro-sim. After you done that, you can just switch your account to the new SIM card. Your voice and data plan will stay as it is.

  • Noahattic

    last time i went to the store to buy a new sim card since i lost it. they charged me bloody $40 for that tiny piece which is only worthy under $1.

    i am afraid they are going to do the same thing if you order a micro-sim from them

  • I agree. You save $500 to sign the contract and I'm paying for what I need so Rogers isn't forcing me to buy anything extra. I have no plans to switch, so buying on contract is a no-brianer. However, if Rogers doesn't allow early upgrades again, then I will buy an unlocked phone and ditch Rogers as soon as possible.

    Like I said on the podcast, if Rogers makes it easy for me to get an iPhone every year at launch at a subsidized price then I'm with them for life. I think the unlocked iPhone puts more pressure on Rogers to treat early adopters right.

  • Noahattic

    dont think at&t makes the price that low. here's still north american. but if you put your eyes on the other side of the world, like china, thailand.$20 can be done with talk/text/data, of course, on edge, not 3g. that's good enough if you only stay there for short term.

    the unlocked phones definitely give a lot of freedom to those people travelling often. they have a great re-sale value, too.

  • Ex

    Apple Stores may have them for free, like they are doing with the iPad.

  • Ex

    That's true. But the dev team is very talented!

  • Doja

    I think its retarded, you should have a choice if you want it unlocked or with a contract. I don't travel enough to make it worth my while and more than likely neither is 90% of the iphone buyers. I don't have $650 to just drop on a fuckin phone, i may as well buy a blackberry. Sorry apple

  • doja

    how much money do you have to drop on fuckin cell phones bro?

  • Go to Apple.ca/store and click on iPhone. Search a bit harder you'll find it. 😉

  • YES

  • The magic of an unlocked phone is that the carriers no longer have an iron grip on you. If one carrier decides to go with an aggressive promo (which seems pretty rare as of late) you can easily move to the new carrier.

    Also, trust me when I say that having an unlocked phone is priceless for travelling. You just wait till you go away and your iPhone is locked to Rogers/Fido/Telus. You'll want to punch yourself in the face.

    Having an unlocked iPhone while travelling is the best thing ever.

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  • Wolf

    Anyone called a carrier (Rogers,Fido,Bell,Telus…) and asked if they will sell the Iphone 4 locked or unlocked ?

    I personally don't think they need to lock it … the deal is with the contract not the Iphone 4 since we can buy it unlocked anyway !

  • Xaroc

    Yes they are. I have no doubt it will only take a few weeks to a month or 2.
    Providing there is a new bootrom that is.

  • Xaroc

    It is hard at first to get started, but that's why you sell your old
    phones on craigslist or eBay or something. 500 becomes 150 if your
    smart about it. But I hear what you are saying.

  • Xaroc

    Agreed, been there, done that. Yeah my cheek still hurts lol

  • Xaroc

    Carriers always lock their phones. I have personally tried back with
    my blackberries. No chance

  • Lee

    If you enjoy calling in non stop trying to fight for better rates be my guest. I'm just over 2 years on my contract, Telus's account site says my offer is $300 off a new iPhone, wow big deal I'm not signing a 3 year agreement again just to save a little $300. On the other side, someone who's only 8 months into their contract, try to see what you'll get for renewing, you can't! They're not going to resign you for a 3 year and give you another deal on a phone. Maybe if you're the type to keep a cell phone for the 3 years then fine but I change mine constantly, only had the 3GS for 8 months.

  • Lee

    And by the way I do, that's how I got the $15 plan for free by working with retentions. My friend works at Telus so I have tie number. They're the ones that said too bad about the lower rates when it changed, and who said I can't get the $300 off the iPhone. I only deal with retentions but thanks.

  • Xaroc

    With my experience. I have done this multiple times with Rogers and
    telus, as I use both carriers. It's not about calling over n over,
    it's knowing who to talk to, and how you represent yourself.
    Quite a few people take “no” for an answer, you just need to be
    president. There is deals to be had outside of the paper that sits in
    front of operator, but they are not going to just hand them out like
    candy on halloween.

  • Codeblue009

    fido always says they dont deal with unlocking…is there a way to get them to unlock the device at the end of my contract (cuz they seem to not do anything with unlocking)?? anyways im going to renew my contract, my plan is good

  • Ex

    Fido will not unlock your device.

  • mackman6151

    i know but in the article they quoted an Apple source as saying “Because this iPhone is commitment-free, you can purchase a micro-SIM or SIM card and service from a local carrier at your destination. Or check with your home carrier regarding international roaming charges.”……that imples it accepts both sim and micro-sim…..unless they made a mistake in their post in which case having an unlocked phone using microsim is useless because theres not many international carriers that accept it.

  • Dustedballs

    I hate the subsidized ATT ponzi scheme of tying customers up for 2 years, hence paying the full sales tax on the phone .. this is daylight robbery !

  • Ex

    “or” is because Apple still supports the 3GS, which is not MicroSIM.

  • mackman6151

    didn't think of that….my bad thanks! 🙂

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • rye

    I just made this very point to a friend over lunch. I agree with you completely. Even if I do decide to switch, the ETF is equal to what I’ll be shelling out for the phone up front, so where’s the benefit?

    Unlocked makes it easy to travel, sure, but unlocking a phone is pretty simple, and with apps like Redsn0w and Ultrasn0w, it’s literally a one-click, on-the-phone function (i.e. no computer required.)

    3 year contract, here I come.

  • Juca

    Here in Brazil Iphones where sold unlocked too since two months ago.

  • xxJDxx

    i have to wonder if this is why we get a 'delayed' launch in Canada. Dont want americans buying unlocked devices instead of phones locked to AT&T. Or perhaps is a bit of a 'screw you' by apple because of the big three perhaps NOT offering an early upgrade option for those that got the 3GS last year?

  • Large2990

    would somebody please buy the phone for me and i will pay you for the phone i live in newyork and cant get an unlocked iphone i need somebody that lives in canada too buy iphone???

  • Lee

    I completely agree, 2 years is pushing it but more than acceptable but 3 is SO long. I signed mine 2.5 years ago with Telus, I got the BlackBerry 8703e! Imagine using that today still, no camera, scroll wheel on the side, it’s ridiculous.

  • Lee

    I completely agree, 2 years is pushing it but more than acceptable but 3 is SO long. I signed mine 2.5 years ago with Telus, I got the BlackBerry 8703e! Imagine using that today still, no camera, scroll wheel on the side, it’s ridiculous.

  • Lee

    I completely agree, 2 years is pushing it but more than acceptable but 3 is SO long. I signed mine 2.5 years ago with Telus, I got the BlackBerry 8703e! Imagine using that today still, no camera, scroll wheel on the side, it’s ridiculous.

  • Lee

    I completely agree, 2 years is pushing it but more than acceptable but 3 is SO long. I signed mine 2.5 years ago with Telus, I got the BlackBerry 8703e! Imagine using that today still, no camera, scroll wheel on the side, it’s ridiculous.

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  • You're half right. Our monthly fees do have the cost of the phones built in, but the problem is, you pay the same monthly fees even if you have your own phone. So if you plan to live in Canada for the length of the contract, and you don't spend significant time out of the country, it can actually work out cheaper to get the contract. If unsubsidized phones become more popular, then the carriers will be forced to lower the monthly fees.

    I don't like contracts and I'm not encouraging everyone to sign them, but in my case, its cheaper to renew the contract and take the phone at the heavily subsidized price.

  • This works in both cases. You can buy an unlocked iPhone 4 for $699 and sell your 3GS for $300-$500, which will help offset the high cost of the phone. Or, you can renew your contract, get the iPhone 4 for $199, sell your 3GS for $300 – $500, and be ahead of the game.

    People are arguing about this, as if there is a right answer. Both ways have advantages, and the total cost of using an iPhone ( phone + service) depends on what you need.

  • In that case you’re right. It’s different for everyone. I need the data plan and I can’t get data cheaper anywhere else if I had a contract free phone. So I’m actually saving $500 – $600 by getting the iPhone on contract.

    There are so many Rogers users out there, that I was able to get top dollar when I sold my 3G. International use and resale value are significant advantages to an unlocked phone, but they don’t outweigh the savings in my specific case.

    There is no right or wrong answer here, everyone has to evaluate the costs associated with their particular use case and see which way works out better. I’m glad people actually have the choice now.

  • In that case you’re right. It’s different for everyone. I need the data plan and I can’t get data cheaper anywhere else if I had a contract free phone. So I’m actually saving $500 – $600 by getting the iPhone on contract.

    There are so many Rogers users out there, that I was able to get top dollar when I sold my 3G. International use and resale value are significant advantages to an unlocked phone, but they don’t outweigh the savings in my specific case.

    There is no right or wrong answer here, everyone has to evaluate the costs associated with their particular use case and see which way works out better. I’m glad people actually have the choice now.

  • In that case you’re right. It’s different for everyone. I need the data plan and I can’t get data cheaper anywhere else if I had a contract free phone. So I’m actually saving $500 – $600 by getting the iPhone on contract.

    There are so many Rogers users out there, that I was able to get top dollar when I sold my 3G. International use and resale value are significant advantages to an unlocked phone, but they don’t outweigh the savings in my specific case.

    There is no right or wrong answer here, everyone has to evaluate the costs associated with their particular use case and see which way works out better. I’m glad people actually have the choice now.

  • In that case you’re right. It’s different for everyone. I need the data plan and I can’t get data cheaper anywhere else if I had a contract free phone. So I’m actually saving $500 – $600 by getting the iPhone on contract.

    There are so many Rogers users out there, that I was able to get top dollar when I sold my 3G. International use and resale value are significant advantages to an unlocked phone, but they don’t outweigh the savings in my specific case.

    There is no right or wrong answer here, everyone has to evaluate the costs associated with their particular use case and see which way works out better. I’m glad people actually have the choice now.

  • In that case you’re right. It’s different for everyone. I need the data plan and I can’t get data cheaper anywhere else if I had a contract free phone. So I’m actually saving $500 – $600 by getting the iPhone on contract.

    There are so many Rogers users out there, that I was able to get top dollar when I sold my 3G. International use and resale value are significant advantages to an unlocked phone, but they don’t outweigh the savings in my specific case.

    There is no right or wrong answer here, everyone has to evaluate the costs associated with their particular use case and see which way works out better. I’m glad people actually have the choice now.

  • Anonymous

    The unlocks for the 3G and 3GS are software injection based, which have not proven to be stable in many cases (long carrier detection times, wifi issues, etc…).

    Also Apple has been pretty responsive to close down these injection methods, leading to have to use utilities like pwnagetool to create an ipsw that does not update the baseband. So you don’t get any of the benefits of the improvements made to the baseband firmware.

    Although jailbreaking will probably remain to be a one click process, phone unlocking will probably continue to be convoluted.

  • Anonymous

    The unlocks for the 3G and 3GS are software injection based, which have not proven to be stable in many cases (long carrier detection times, wifi issues, etc…).

    Also Apple has been pretty responsive to close down these injection methods, leading to have to use utilities like pwnagetool to create an ipsw that does not update the baseband. So you don’t get any of the benefits of the improvements made to the baseband firmware.

    Although jailbreaking will probably remain to be a one click process, phone unlocking will probably continue to be convoluted.

  • Anonymous

    The unlocks for the 3G and 3GS are software injection based, which have not proven to be stable in many cases (long carrier detection times, wifi issues, etc…).

    Also Apple has been pretty responsive to close down these injection methods, leading to have to use utilities like pwnagetool to create an ipsw that does not update the baseband. So you don’t get any of the benefits of the improvements made to the baseband firmware.

    Although jailbreaking will probably remain to be a one click process, phone unlocking will probably continue to be convoluted.

  • Anonymous

    The unlocks for the 3G and 3GS are software injection based, which have not proven to be stable in many cases (long carrier detection times, wifi issues, etc…).

    Also Apple has been pretty responsive to close down these injection methods, leading to have to use utilities like pwnagetool to create an ipsw that does not update the baseband. So you don’t get any of the benefits of the improvements made to the baseband firmware.

    Although jailbreaking will probably remain to be a one click process, phone unlocking will probably continue to be convoluted.

  • Anonymous

    The unlocks for the 3G and 3GS are software injection based, which have not proven to be stable in many cases (long carrier detection times, wifi issues, etc…).

    Also Apple has been pretty responsive to close down these injection methods, leading to have to use utilities like pwnagetool to create an ipsw that does not update the baseband. So you don’t get any of the benefits of the improvements made to the baseband firmware.

    Although jailbreaking will probably remain to be a one click process, phone unlocking will probably continue to be convoluted.

  • jonpoeschek

    I would agree with you Gary, but aggressive promos usually involve signing some term commitment of at least a year. Think of the Rogers student deals… they usually require a 3 year contract.

  • jonpoeschek

    If Apple had a better defense for jailbreaking, i think we would have seen it in the iPad. Since it would be expensive and risky (security wise) to create new bootrom code for each new phone, I would expect that any exploits the dev team has saved away will work immediately when the new iPhone is released.

  • Xaroc

    Time will tell.

  • jonpoeschek

    I would agree with you Gary, but aggressive promos usually involve signing some term commitment of at least a year. Think of the Rogers student deals… they usually require a 3 year contract.

  • jonpoeschek

    If Apple had a better defense for jailbreaking, i think we would have seen it in the iPad. Since it would be expensive and risky (security wise) to create new bootrom code for each new phone, I would expect that any exploits the dev team has saved away will work immediately when the new iPhone is released.

  • Xaroc

    Time will tell.

  • Justcharlie

    how can I order some new iphones from canada if I'm outside of the country? I'm in Asia but myself and my coworkers want to buy a bunch. Alltogether, we'd like to get about ten if that's possible. Anyone have any suggestions on how that can be accomplished from overseas?

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  • Rogers

    The 2 advantages of buying the phone is that, first you get the liberty to jump from carrier to carrier depending on which offers the best promotion or plan and second, you can travel freely without those outrageous roaming charges by purchasing a local sim.

  • Rogers

    Canadian cell companies have abused its customer base ever since the cell phone appeared, its time to get our collective asses out of the dirt and show them we don't like to be stuck in long term contracts at high prices compared to other civilized countries. And their excuse concerning expensive infrastructures versus customer base is a corporate lie they happily share to subdue us all and increase their profit margin and EPS.

    But then again, since they control the signal, they can still charge the same monthly price whether you buy the phone with them or not. This is stealing people legally 🙂

  • Darren

    Well you also have to consider the cost to cancel your plan. If it's only $XXX to cancel, then you may as well get the rebate by locking your contact and take the risk you may have to pay that $XXX back one day IF you cancel your plan, either way, you pay for the phone.

  • Darren

    you can get several hundred bucks for selling your phone because other people under a contact already and lost their phone don't want to pay $499 for a new one.

  • lammann

    I checked the Apple website and the 8GB sells for $549. Telus's price is the same for no contract. One has to assume that the iPhone 4 will follow suite.

  • Guest

    Amen to that!

  • Sam

    Hi, I'm a teenager with wifi availability at home and at school. I have a Fido contract until next year and planning to get an Iphone 4 from the Apple store so I don't have to pay for data plans because I got free wifi already. Would data plans benefit me? I''m in school for 10 months, so, whats the point?

    Any suggestions? Please and thank you.

  •  Xaroc

    Well that depends on you. Do you want Internet outside of home and
    school or not? Are you likely to use it a lot when your cruising
    around on the weekend. Just depends on your life style.

  • Sam

    Well, I would use it if I had it. But if not, I'm fine without it. What option would I save more?

  •  Xaroc

    I would say go without it to save money. If you find yourself iching
    to use your new iPhone outside of home (and you will) you can always
    add it later right? Weigh your options and likely hood of use.

  • Sam

    Yeah, I thought of that too. But if I do that, wouldn't I pay more? 600/700+ for the unlocked phone plus the mpnthly data plan? (30/month)

  •  Xaroc

    Yes, with data it's going to be least 60+ tax unless you get your
    hands on a special plan that's given to you outside of the offered
    packages (normally to make you happy when shit hits the fan) 2nd
    question spending all that money for an unlocked phone, do you NEED it
    to be unlocked? I only ask because me personally would be cool to
    have one, but in reality I never leave Canada, so I would get zero use
    from that. Lots hate it, but you can always go on contract for
    cheaper (often give you better deals if your a first time signer, and
    willing to fight) or already have a smartphone and take advantage of
    the upgrade policy that will most likely take place. There is many
    ways to go at this.

  • Sam

    For some reason, I can't reply to your post. So anyway, basically all I want is the iphone. No data plans. ( id go for it if in the long run was cheaper) Unlocked or locked. The only reason im going for the unlocked one is because it's much cheaper, for now. Id go out of the country maybe twice in 3 years. But thats it..

  • iPhone 4 is already available in UK since 24th June itself and that too Sim-Free. What is the point of getting it from another retailer and spending all your time to Unlock it?
    Is there a way of buying it from UK and Importing to US?
    Please let me know.

  • cece

    I was told by Apple that they only carriers that i can use the iphone 4 is with Telus, Bell, rogers, and AtandT. Why is that? I thought since the phone is unlocked i can use it with any cell phone provider.

  • cece

    Oh i should mention this non of the customer service new what they were talking about. i got 50 different answers to one stupid question. Honestly, my dad got pissed at me for giving him different answers. Argh he just had to live in the States.