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Update: Rogers iPhone Release Date, Pricing & Data Plans

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With the big announcement the other day by Rogers that they will be releasing the iPhone in Canada later this year, there are many questions that remain unanswered. When will the iPhone be released? What about pricing and data plans?

The latest press articles announce that the Rogers iPhone will be geared towards the high end consumer in Canada. Analysts have stated that the iPhone in Canada will be marketed towards the “high end, style conscious consumer” that doesn’t mind paying $100/month for both voice and data plans, according to Carmi Levi of Toronto’s AR Communications.

What about Apple’s response to the recent Canadian hoopla? Here is what they had to say:

“We’re excited to be working with Rogers to bring the iPhone to Canada later this year, and we can’t wait to get this revolutionary phone in the hands of even more people around the world,” Apple spokeswoman Jennifer Bowcock said from Cupertino, Calif.

The Rogers iPhone Release Date in Canada: Summer/Fall of 2008?

The speculation is that Rogers will release the iPhone this summer when Apple announced their second generation 3G iPhone. We all know that Rogers has signed a non-disclosure agreement so they have kept their mouths shut on the issue. I really wonder how Rogers is going to market the iPhone. You would think they would be peppering both TV, radio, and newspaper ads by now if there was going to be a summer release.

My feeling is that they are still working out the fine details and we will most likely see the iPhone being released by Rogers in the fall in time for the Christmas bonanza. Either way, expect to pay a premium for the iPhone, which will be subsidized by a 3 year contract. Knowing Rogers, I bet they might fabricate a “new” 5 year agreement. Could you imagine being tied down for FIVE years? Three years is bad enough, but just imagine five–this is just pure speculation of course!

Pricing of the Rogers iPhone in Canada

The original 8GB iPhone in the US was launched at a price of $599, then dropped to $399 a couple months later. We could see some similar pricing here in Canada, but like I mentioned above get ready to commit for three long years to get the biggest subsidy. I can see something along the lines of $399 for a 16GB iPhone on a 3 year contract.

Even though the iPhone hoopla has died down a bit, the majority of Canadians (minus the unlocked crowd plus their friends and family) have never experienced an iPhone, yet seen one in person. The moment it is released in stores and once more people start acquiring them (not just the unlocked crowd) the Rogers iPhone torrent will only grow bigger. Keeping this in mind Rogers, as the only GSM carrier in Canada will take this fact into consideration when it is determining pricing.

Pricing of Data Plans with the Rogers iPhone

This is probably one of the most important issues with consumers–iPhone data plan rates. What’s the point of having a full HTML capable iPhone, if data plan pricing is just horrendously expensive? We know that Rob Bruce, president of Rogers’ wireless division, claimed in February “We’re not fans of unlimited plans”.

However, other analysts feel that Rogers might drift away from their stance and offer “virtually unlimited” data plans for $35/month, with 100 to 200MB per month. Combining this with a voice plan that offers reasonable daytime minutes (250-500) and unlimited evening and weekends, you’re most likely looking upwards of $80-100/month to use the almighty iPhone in Canada. We will just have to wait for Rogers to announce their pricing. One thing is certain: either way their rates will shock Canadians nonetheless, for better or for worse!

Let the Waiting Game Begin (or continue; wait a minute, it never stopped!)

Once again, customers that have been waiting for the iPhone to be released in Canada will have to continue waiting–yet again. Given the “abilities” of the online “iPhone community”, I would not be surprised that owning an unlocked unit from the USA will be the same as getting one from Rogers, minus the possible Rogers branding (can you imagine the Rogers jingle and start up screen on your iPhone–yikes! *shudder*)

Let’s take this question out to you guys and girls: when do you predict the iPhone will be released “officially”? What about pricing and data plan rates? Let’s hear it all in the comments!

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  • Non Mint

    If its going to cost me over $100 per month for the “unlimited” (I WILL use more than 200 megs per month) than it looks like im keeping my Sony Ericsson. Like you said in your post, what is the point of having a fully capable HTML ready phone if you can’t use it?

    I still can’t believe that Roger’s is getting away with this. AT&T’s plans for the iPhone are dirt cheap compared to my cruddy Roger’s plan. Unless I see a plan for no more than $60 per month that includes a large ammount of data, count me out of the iPhone crowd. And its not like I am a casual fan of the iPhone either, for one, im posting on this site, and have been eagerly awaiting the arrival of Apple’s cellular juggernaut, but if I have to pay $100 per month? I can live without it.

  • Non Mint

    If its going to cost me over $100 per month for the “unlimited” (I WILL use more than 200 megs per month) than it looks like im keeping my Sony Ericsson. Like you said in your post, what is the point of having a fully capable HTML ready phone if you can’t use it?

    I still can’t believe that Roger’s is getting away with this. AT&T’s plans for the iPhone are dirt cheap compared to my cruddy Roger’s plan. Unless I see a plan for no more than $60 per month that includes a large ammount of data, count me out of the iPhone crowd. And its not like I am a casual fan of the iPhone either, for one, im posting on this site, and have been eagerly awaiting the arrival of Apple’s cellular juggernaut, but if I have to pay $100 per month? I can live without it.

  • Non Mint

    If its going to cost me over $100 per month for the “unlimited” (I WILL use more than 200 megs per month) than it looks like im keeping my Sony Ericsson. Like you said in your post, what is the point of having a fully capable HTML ready phone if you can’t use it?

    I still can’t believe that Roger’s is getting away with this. AT&T’s plans for the iPhone are dirt cheap compared to my cruddy Roger’s plan. Unless I see a plan for no more than $60 per month that includes a large ammount of data, count me out of the iPhone crowd. And its not like I am a casual fan of the iPhone either, for one, im posting on this site, and have been eagerly awaiting the arrival of Apple’s cellular juggernaut, but if I have to pay $100 per month? I can live without it.

  • Amanda

    remember nothing has been confirmed yet

  • Amanda

    remember nothing has been confirmed yet

  • Amanda

    remember nothing has been confirmed yet

  • Amanda

    also with all the readily available wifi hotspots out there why the heck would anybody need to pay for data usage??? Can’t people wait the few minutes or couple hours before logging on to the internet world??? Jesus, how the hell did anyone survive in the stone age????
    bah just me ranting lol

  • Amanda

    also with all the readily available wifi hotspots out there why the heck would anybody need to pay for data usage??? Can’t people wait the few minutes or couple hours before logging on to the internet world??? Jesus, how the hell did anyone survive in the stone age????
    bah just me ranting lol

  • LoWd0Wn

    whats the point of having a phone like that without be able to use whenever you want.
    I think Apple has put the pressure onto Rogers to come up with more reasonable plans than the 100.00 a month.
    I like the 35.00 for 200 – 300 MB. That would be awesome but perhaps wishful thinking.
    Hopefully not.

  • LoWd0Wn

    whats the point of having a phone like that without be able to use whenever you want.
    I think Apple has put the pressure onto Rogers to come up with more reasonable plans than the 100.00 a month.
    I like the 35.00 for 200 – 300 MB. That would be awesome but perhaps wishful thinking.
    Hopefully not.

  • LoWd0Wn

    whats the point of having a phone like that without be able to use whenever you want.
    I think Apple has put the pressure onto Rogers to come up with more reasonable plans than the 100.00 a month.
    I like the 35.00 for 200 – 300 MB. That would be awesome but perhaps wishful thinking.
    Hopefully not.

  • rocky

    $100/mth? Thanks but no thanks! I will hack mine and use the free wifi spots instead!

    $35 for 300mb is insane! The iphone can eat 300mb of heavy use in a couple of days! I hate to see that when I am on the road and wanted to use Maps to look up for directions or to find a restaurant near by…oh wait! I shouldn’t! I have used up the 300mb for the month!

  • rocky

    $100/mth? Thanks but no thanks! I will hack mine and use the free wifi spots instead!

    $35 for 300mb is insane! The iphone can eat 300mb of heavy use in a couple of days! I hate to see that when I am on the road and wanted to use Maps to look up for directions or to find a restaurant near by…oh wait! I shouldn’t! I have used up the 300mb for the month!

  • rocky

    $100/mth? Thanks but no thanks! I will hack mine and use the free wifi spots instead!

    $35 for 300mb is insane! The iphone can eat 300mb of heavy use in a couple of days! I hate to see that when I am on the road and wanted to use Maps to look up for directions or to find a restaurant near by…oh wait! I shouldn’t! I have used up the 300mb for the month!

  • Sorry for this long post but I had to vent.

    The following things boggle my mind
    1. How can Canada have just one GSM provider?
    I temporarily worked and lived in a third world country where all the networks were GSM and providers who were previously on other frequencies converted and demanded that all their customers get new phones or be not be serviced They did it by offering them a year’s convert grace period, select handset rebates and affordable hand sets. It’s called updating necessary infrastructure. So why can’t that happen here, why are Telus and others still living in a TDMA/CDMA world?

    2. $100+ a month basic rate – are you serious!
    Why do Canadians put up with these ridiculous rates? Rogers and other communications companies enjoys gouging us on prices. And the CRTC allows this to continue. Haven’t we already learned that the CRTC and the government encourages monopolies like these to take advantage of the market and the populus only to yield negative results. Hmm, Air Canada, Canadian Television and Music (or lack thereof) industries……

    3. What about the growth of the mobile web?
    Because Rogers doesn’t want to offer affordable and competitive pricing this will only further affect the growth of the mobile web. As is less than 5% of (non-iphone/smartphone) mobile owners log on using their phones.

    The mobile web is the next growing sector of the internet, but if you don’t have an audience logging on you fail to create incentives for developers to focus on development work this area. Therefore you don’t have content/ products.

    I have studied similar effects of cost-prohibitive pricing rates for internet access in other economies and their adverse social effects. It would be a shame for corporate self interest and greed to prevent Canada from becoming a technology leader and the mobile internet to be it’s victim.

    4. Why does Rogers insist on marketing the iPhone as upscale?
    Sorry but as beautiful and wondrous as the iPhone in fact is, this is a technology that should be shared. If they were smart they would drop the price like ATT, have affordable rates and create incentives for more consumers to opt-in to data packages. The phones technology makes it next-gen communications. So arm more people with it so that the telecommunications industry’s growth can also reach next-gen potential. Nope, they want to keep Canada in the dark ages.

    I think what we really needed was a petition for affordable and competitive iPhone rates.

    From a pissed off Canadian iPhone owner.

  • Sorry for this long post but I had to vent.

    The following things boggle my mind
    1. How can Canada have just one GSM provider?
    I temporarily worked and lived in a third world country where all the networks were GSM and providers who were previously on other frequencies converted and demanded that all their customers get new phones or be not be serviced They did it by offering them a year’s convert grace period, select handset rebates and affordable hand sets. It’s called updating necessary infrastructure. So why can’t that happen here, why are Telus and others still living in a TDMA/CDMA world?

    2. $100+ a month basic rate – are you serious!
    Why do Canadians put up with these ridiculous rates? Rogers and other communications companies enjoys gouging us on prices. And the CRTC allows this to continue. Haven’t we already learned that the CRTC and the government encourages monopolies like these to take advantage of the market and the populus only to yield negative results. Hmm, Air Canada, Canadian Television and Music (or lack thereof) industries……

    3. What about the growth of the mobile web?
    Because Rogers doesn’t want to offer affordable and competitive pricing this will only further affect the growth of the mobile web. As is less than 5% of (non-iphone/smartphone) mobile owners log on using their phones.

    The mobile web is the next growing sector of the internet, but if you don’t have an audience logging on you fail to create incentives for developers to focus on development work this area. Therefore you don’t have content/ products.

    I have studied similar effects of cost-prohibitive pricing rates for internet access in other economies and their adverse social effects. It would be a shame for corporate self interest and greed to prevent Canada from becoming a technology leader and the mobile internet to be it’s victim.

    4. Why does Rogers insist on marketing the iPhone as upscale?
    Sorry but as beautiful and wondrous as the iPhone in fact is, this is a technology that should be shared. If they were smart they would drop the price like ATT, have affordable rates and create incentives for more consumers to opt-in to data packages. The phones technology makes it next-gen communications. So arm more people with it so that the telecommunications industry’s growth can also reach next-gen potential. Nope, they want to keep Canada in the dark ages.

    I think what we really needed was a petition for affordable and competitive iPhone rates.

    From a pissed off Canadian iPhone owner.

  • Sorry for this long post but I had to vent.

    The following things boggle my mind
    1. How can Canada have just one GSM provider?
    I temporarily worked and lived in a third world country where all the networks were GSM and providers who were previously on other frequencies converted and demanded that all their customers get new phones or be not be serviced They did it by offering them a year’s convert grace period, select handset rebates and affordable hand sets. It’s called updating necessary infrastructure. So why can’t that happen here, why are Telus and others still living in a TDMA/CDMA world?

    2. $100+ a month basic rate – are you serious!
    Why do Canadians put up with these ridiculous rates? Rogers and other communications companies enjoys gouging us on prices. And the CRTC allows this to continue. Haven’t we already learned that the CRTC and the government encourages monopolies like these to take advantage of the market and the populus only to yield negative results. Hmm, Air Canada, Canadian Television and Music (or lack thereof) industries……

    3. What about the growth of the mobile web?
    Because Rogers doesn’t want to offer affordable and competitive pricing this will only further affect the growth of the mobile web. As is less than 5% of (non-iphone/smartphone) mobile owners log on using their phones.

    The mobile web is the next growing sector of the internet, but if you don’t have an audience logging on you fail to create incentives for developers to focus on development work this area. Therefore you don’t have content/ products.

    I have studied similar effects of cost-prohibitive pricing rates for internet access in other economies and their adverse social effects. It would be a shame for corporate self interest and greed to prevent Canada from becoming a technology leader and the mobile internet to be it’s victim.

    4. Why does Rogers insist on marketing the iPhone as upscale?
    Sorry but as beautiful and wondrous as the iPhone in fact is, this is a technology that should be shared. If they were smart they would drop the price like ATT, have affordable rates and create incentives for more consumers to opt-in to data packages. The phones technology makes it next-gen communications. So arm more people with it so that the telecommunications industry’s growth can also reach next-gen potential. Nope, they want to keep Canada in the dark ages.

    I think what we really needed was a petition for affordable and competitive iPhone rates.

    From a pissed off Canadian iPhone owner.

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  • Mdpotter

    Although us Canadians have been waiting for this long to get a legitimate iPhone, without the right company providing service, it doesn’t seem like it will be as big a hit here as what it was in the US. There will still be those people that rush out to purchase it with whatever Rogers will tell them to get in order to use it.

    I think what would be the best short term solution would be for AT&T to release a $100 plan that would be unlimited data package for Canadians. One with the ability for online billing (Due to no US shipping address for the bill) and would have a long distance plan that would allow for regular usage during day and unlimited for evenings. It’s not as if their services couldn’t handle it. This would cause the companies that are already setup here to start providing a service that would be comparable if not combat-able with it.

    With the new bill that just passed opening the market to further competition, the fact that Rogers is the only one the ‘currently’ holds the only compatible network only means that companies that are already here should be worried. Companies that want to expand into the Canadian market should take this advantage and build infrastructures that can handle current and future network requirements. This may take a year or 2 but we have already waited this long, another year for something that will be more mainstream, faster, cheaper and reliable would be better than jumping onto what is already outdated, bad service (sorry Rogers, but you suck and you know it), and expensive as hell compared to the competition.

    With mindsets like “We’re not fans of unlimited plans”, any company in the technology industry will doubt fail. Look what happened to internet service providers, people have now passed up the 500mb limit or the 10gig limit for the unlimited versions even if it is a slight bit more. And yes I know, by saying unlimited, I know that there are caps on many of these plans but the fact that the companies throttle the connection speed so much that unless you are downloading 24/7 you wouldn’t hit that cap. But this isn’t the place for that conversation.

    iPhone in Canada? Well, if Rogers can clean up their act, get a descent unlimited or rough 5-10gig limit version with data for $50-60, unlimited nights (6pm or7pm) and weekends, unlimited txt, 250-500 daytime minutes, decent long distance (or my 5 included), you won’t get the response you are looking for. If all of that was for the $50-60, I’d drop my bell connection and pick it up in a heartbeat, if not, I’ll wait and I am sure many people will be waiting there with me.

  • Mdpotter

    Although us Canadians have been waiting for this long to get a legitimate iPhone, without the right company providing service, it doesn’t seem like it will be as big a hit here as what it was in the US. There will still be those people that rush out to purchase it with whatever Rogers will tell them to get in order to use it.

    I think what would be the best short term solution would be for AT&T to release a $100 plan that would be unlimited data package for Canadians. One with the ability for online billing (Due to no US shipping address for the bill) and would have a long distance plan that would allow for regular usage during day and unlimited for evenings. It’s not as if their services couldn’t handle it. This would cause the companies that are already setup here to start providing a service that would be comparable if not combat-able with it.

    With the new bill that just passed opening the market to further competition, the fact that Rogers is the only one the ‘currently’ holds the only compatible network only means that companies that are already here should be worried. Companies that want to expand into the Canadian market should take this advantage and build infrastructures that can handle current and future network requirements. This may take a year or 2 but we have already waited this long, another year for something that will be more mainstream, faster, cheaper and reliable would be better than jumping onto what is already outdated, bad service (sorry Rogers, but you suck and you know it), and expensive as hell compared to the competition.

    With mindsets like “We’re not fans of unlimited plans”, any company in the technology industry will doubt fail. Look what happened to internet service providers, people have now passed up the 500mb limit or the 10gig limit for the unlimited versions even if it is a slight bit more. And yes I know, by saying unlimited, I know that there are caps on many of these plans but the fact that the companies throttle the connection speed so much that unless you are downloading 24/7 you wouldn’t hit that cap. But this isn’t the place for that conversation.

    iPhone in Canada? Well, if Rogers can clean up their act, get a descent unlimited or rough 5-10gig limit version with data for $50-60, unlimited nights (6pm or7pm) and weekends, unlimited txt, 250-500 daytime minutes, decent long distance (or my 5 included), you won’t get the response you are looking for. If all of that was for the $50-60, I’d drop my bell connection and pick it up in a heartbeat, if not, I’ll wait and I am sure many people will be waiting there with me.

  • Mdpotter

    Although us Canadians have been waiting for this long to get a legitimate iPhone, without the right company providing service, it doesn’t seem like it will be as big a hit here as what it was in the US. There will still be those people that rush out to purchase it with whatever Rogers will tell them to get in order to use it.

    I think what would be the best short term solution would be for AT&T to release a $100 plan that would be unlimited data package for Canadians. One with the ability for online billing (Due to no US shipping address for the bill) and would have a long distance plan that would allow for regular usage during day and unlimited for evenings. It’s not as if their services couldn’t handle it. This would cause the companies that are already setup here to start providing a service that would be comparable if not combat-able with it.

    With the new bill that just passed opening the market to further competition, the fact that Rogers is the only one the ‘currently’ holds the only compatible network only means that companies that are already here should be worried. Companies that want to expand into the Canadian market should take this advantage and build infrastructures that can handle current and future network requirements. This may take a year or 2 but we have already waited this long, another year for something that will be more mainstream, faster, cheaper and reliable would be better than jumping onto what is already outdated, bad service (sorry Rogers, but you suck and you know it), and expensive as hell compared to the competition.

    With mindsets like “We’re not fans of unlimited plans”, any company in the technology industry will doubt fail. Look what happened to internet service providers, people have now passed up the 500mb limit or the 10gig limit for the unlimited versions even if it is a slight bit more. And yes I know, by saying unlimited, I know that there are caps on many of these plans but the fact that the companies throttle the connection speed so much that unless you are downloading 24/7 you wouldn’t hit that cap. But this isn’t the place for that conversation.

    iPhone in Canada? Well, if Rogers can clean up their act, get a descent unlimited or rough 5-10gig limit version with data for $50-60, unlimited nights (6pm or7pm) and weekends, unlimited txt, 250-500 daytime minutes, decent long distance (or my 5 included), you won’t get the response you are looking for. If all of that was for the $50-60, I’d drop my bell connection and pick it up in a heartbeat, if not, I’ll wait and I am sure many people will be waiting there with me.

  • J-Rock

    I couldn’t agree more with the above post.

    I travel quite a bit with work and have used many peoples iPhones in the states. I have to admit I am a recent Apple converter. No more PC’s at home, only work. I can honestly say that IF, and I use that term loosely, Rogers has spent all this money to go 3G, then cram it to us worst than they already are, I will opt out and go with the Nokia N95 or wait for the spectrum annoucement of new providers, likely will carry the iPhone or simply get an unlock from this site. No it is not the same, the Nokia in any way shape or form, but hey. I am not willing to pay more than $60.00 a month. Plus the usual 14%. Really how much more with we all take on this cellular pirate pricing. It’s almost as worst as the price of gas….At $1.22 a liter, converted to USG, we are paying $4.60 a gallon. Why do we in Canada get the shaft ???

    An 16 Gig iPhone for $399.99 on a two year contract for $60.00 a month unlimited will make me feel better. (Maybe another petition ??)

    Sorry for the rant.

    Great job with this site.

  • J-Rock

    I couldn’t agree more with the above post.

    I travel quite a bit with work and have used many peoples iPhones in the states. I have to admit I am a recent Apple converter. No more PC’s at home, only work. I can honestly say that IF, and I use that term loosely, Rogers has spent all this money to go 3G, then cram it to us worst than they already are, I will opt out and go with the Nokia N95 or wait for the spectrum annoucement of new providers, likely will carry the iPhone or simply get an unlock from this site. No it is not the same, the Nokia in any way shape or form, but hey. I am not willing to pay more than $60.00 a month. Plus the usual 14%. Really how much more with we all take on this cellular pirate pricing. It’s almost as worst as the price of gas….At $1.22 a liter, converted to USG, we are paying $4.60 a gallon. Why do we in Canada get the shaft ???

    An 16 Gig iPhone for $399.99 on a two year contract for $60.00 a month unlimited will make me feel better. (Maybe another petition ??)

    Sorry for the rant.

    Great job with this site.

  • I totally agree with you guys, we need some big time change with our mobile companies and the plans offered. We are getting screwed here in Canada.

  • I totally agree with you guys, we need some big time change with our mobile companies and the plans offered. We are getting screwed here in Canada.

  • iPhone Fan

    I totally agree with you guys, we need some big time change with our mobile companies and the plans offered. We are getting screwed here in Canada.

  • Andrew

    Yeah, screw that. There is no way in hell it should be $100/mo for what is basically, barebones data service and voice.

    Frankly, I should just cancel my cell phone service and buy an iPod Touch, and just use IM over wifi. I’m paying nearly $50/mo for a completely average voice plan 100min with some text messages and like 100kb of data included, on a RAZR.

    Pretty damn retarded, this stuff should be just about dirt cheap, by this point.

    The technology is just sitting around, not even being taken advantage of or made available, because Rogers and other carriers artificially slow down the rate of product release, so as to milk the greatest possible profit from the market.

    It is peoples’ well-paid careers to devise these strategies for cellphone companies, rolling out new features at extremely strategized points in time. They don’t just give you the latest phone just because Nokia or Motorola came out with something new.

    Thanks to these megalomaniacal assholes for making us the laughing stock of the entire world, by making it a business strategy to put us behind months and even years. Yup… congratulations on actually directly crippling technological evolution on a nationwide scale. Seriously, how is it even legal?

  • Andrew

    Yeah, screw that. There is no way in hell it should be $100/mo for what is basically, barebones data service and voice.

    Frankly, I should just cancel my cell phone service and buy an iPod Touch, and just use IM over wifi. I’m paying nearly $50/mo for a completely average voice plan 100min with some text messages and like 100kb of data included, on a RAZR.

    Pretty damn retarded, this stuff should be just about dirt cheap, by this point.

    The technology is just sitting around, not even being taken advantage of or made available, because Rogers and other carriers artificially slow down the rate of product release, so as to milk the greatest possible profit from the market.

    It is peoples’ well-paid careers to devise these strategies for cellphone companies, rolling out new features at extremely strategized points in time. They don’t just give you the latest phone just because Nokia or Motorola came out with something new.

    Thanks to these megalomaniacal assholes for making us the laughing stock of the entire world, by making it a business strategy to put us behind months and even years. Yup… congratulations on actually directly crippling technological evolution on a nationwide scale. Seriously, how is it even legal?

  • Tim Aucoin

    So far, all of this pricing information is pure speculation… nothing has been “officially” released as far as plan prices go. Let’s wait and see what the official announcement will say as far a data plans go. I think we’ll all be surprised by Mr. Rogers!!!

  • Tim Aucoin

    So far, all of this pricing information is pure speculation… nothing has been “officially” released as far as plan prices go. Let’s wait and see what the official announcement will say as far a data plans go. I think we’ll all be surprised by Mr. Rogers!!!

  • Tim Aucoin

    So far, all of this pricing information is pure speculation… nothing has been “officially” released as far as plan prices go. Let’s wait and see what the official announcement will say as far a data plans go. I think we’ll all be surprised by Mr. Rogers!!!

  • Mdpotter

    Absolutely, let’s wait and see. Rogers may take this opportunity to turn around their historical view on there service.

    What I do recommend though, like the petition to have the iPhone in Canada, I suggest that we petition for a breakdown of the current AT&T plan and the proposed/current Canadian plans to find out why it is such a difference. How is it that AT&T (and other US Based telecommunication companies) can provide such service on their networks but Canadian ones cannot? I know Bell can’t because of the setup networks but why is it that Rogers cannot provide the same level of service that we always hear about? Where is all that money going if it is not to provide better and faster quality service?

    If they are going to release a plan, I’m sure a lot of us would be interested to know why it is we are paying $10-100 (whatever it may end up being) for services that could be rendered much cheaper and efficiently? Compare Rogers to AT&T. I know it won’t be an exact match but at least we will be informed as to why we pay so much more for similar plans.

    If anybody has a link to what the cost breaks down into, please post it. I would be interested to know why I pay so much for txt messaging when I can get a data plan and send an SMS for, quite literally, fractions of a percent of that of that txt.

  • Mdpotter

    Absolutely, let’s wait and see. Rogers may take this opportunity to turn around their historical view on there service.

    What I do recommend though, like the petition to have the iPhone in Canada, I suggest that we petition for a breakdown of the current AT&T plan and the proposed/current Canadian plans to find out why it is such a difference. How is it that AT&T (and other US Based telecommunication companies) can provide such service on their networks but Canadian ones cannot? I know Bell can’t because of the setup networks but why is it that Rogers cannot provide the same level of service that we always hear about? Where is all that money going if it is not to provide better and faster quality service?

    If they are going to release a plan, I’m sure a lot of us would be interested to know why it is we are paying $10-100 (whatever it may end up being) for services that could be rendered much cheaper and efficiently? Compare Rogers to AT&T. I know it won’t be an exact match but at least we will be informed as to why we pay so much more for similar plans.

    If anybody has a link to what the cost breaks down into, please post it. I would be interested to know why I pay so much for txt messaging when I can get a data plan and send an SMS for, quite literally, fractions of a percent of that of that txt.

  • haydees

    do u guys think that when the iphone is released in canada, that people with hacked iphones wont have their phones hacked anymore, i mean i love installer app, but with the SDK release i sure the new app store is going to have much better apps therefore giving no me reason for the installer, i mean unless u still want some of the more under the table apps. personaly if we dont have to hack our phones any more when it is released im going back to original, not as enoying, lol but thats just me πŸ˜€

  • haydees

    do u guys think that when the iphone is released in canada, that people with hacked iphones wont have their phones hacked anymore, i mean i love installer app, but with the SDK release i sure the new app store is going to have much better apps therefore giving no me reason for the installer, i mean unless u still want some of the more under the table apps. personaly if we dont have to hack our phones any more when it is released im going back to original, not as enoying, lol but thats just me πŸ˜€

  • haydees

    do u guys think that when the iphone is released in canada, that people with hacked iphones wont have their phones hacked anymore, i mean i love installer app, but with the SDK release i sure the new app store is going to have much better apps therefore giving no me reason for the installer, i mean unless u still want some of the more under the table apps. personaly if we dont have to hack our phones any more when it is released im going back to original, not as enoying, lol but thats just me πŸ˜€

  • Alf

    To all the people who are condemning the Canadian Telcos and comparing them to their US counterparts…

    US (or Asia for that matter) and Canada are different markets and what works in US may not work in Canada. The population of US is 400 million with 200 million plus cell users, and if you consider growing economies such as India (population 1.2 billion and 280 million cell users) and China (population 1.6 billion with around 400 million cell users) you will see that with a population of 30 million Canada pales in comparison.

    The business model in case of US & other growing Asian economies is different – they rely on lower ARPU (Average Revenue Per User) but higher volume to make profits. But Canada doesn’t have enough user base to subscribe to the same model and thus the higher rates. Even if more telcos enter canadian market there will still be only 30 million people and around 22 million cell users, so don’t expect the rates to fall down anytime soon.

    For example, say there are 100 people and you can make a profit of $1 per person and end up with $100. In case there are only 10 people you will have to charge them $10 per head to make the same profit. Unfortunately, Canadian scenario is the latter one and don’t think we can do too much about it.

  • Alf

    To all the people who are condemning the Canadian Telcos and comparing them to their US counterparts…

    US (or Asia for that matter) and Canada are different markets and what works in US may not work in Canada. The population of US is 400 million with 200 million plus cell users, and if you consider growing economies such as India (population 1.2 billion and 280 million cell users) and China (population 1.6 billion with around 400 million cell users) you will see that with a population of 30 million Canada pales in comparison.

    The business model in case of US & other growing Asian economies is different – they rely on lower ARPU (Average Revenue Per User) but higher volume to make profits. But Canada doesn’t have enough user base to subscribe to the same model and thus the higher rates. Even if more telcos enter canadian market there will still be only 30 million people and around 22 million cell users, so don’t expect the rates to fall down anytime soon.

    For example, say there are 100 people and you can make a profit of $1 per person and end up with $100. In case there are only 10 people you will have to charge them $10 per head to make the same profit. Unfortunately, Canadian scenario is the latter one and don’t think we can do too much about it.

  • Alf

    To all the people who are condemning the Canadian Telcos and comparing them to their US counterparts…

    US (or Asia for that matter) and Canada are different markets and what works in US may not work in Canada. The population of US is 400 million with 200 million plus cell users, and if you consider growing economies such as India (population 1.2 billion and 280 million cell users) and China (population 1.6 billion with around 400 million cell users) you will see that with a population of 30 million Canada pales in comparison.

    The business model in case of US & other growing Asian economies is different – they rely on lower ARPU (Average Revenue Per User) but higher volume to make profits. But Canada doesn’t have enough user base to subscribe to the same model and thus the higher rates. Even if more telcos enter canadian market there will still be only 30 million people and around 22 million cell users, so don’t expect the rates to fall down anytime soon.

    For example, say there are 100 people and you can make a profit of $1 per person and end up with $100. In case there are only 10 people you will have to charge them $10 per head to make the same profit. Unfortunately, Canadian scenario is the latter one and don’t think we can do too much about it.

  • Alf so because we live in a country with a smaller population we should get screwed on prices. If that’s the case, why are rates more affordable in European countries?

    Canada has the most expensive cell phone rates in the world. There is no excuse for that.

  • Alf so because we live in a country with a smaller population we should get screwed on prices. If that’s the case, why are rates more affordable in European countries?

    Canada has the most expensive cell phone rates in the world. There is no excuse for that.

  • I’ve had my iPhone now for 3 weeks and hardly EVER use Safari unless I’m on a Wi-Fi hotspot or at home on my own wireless network.

    I was shocked when I got a text message from Rogers saying that I had incurred $100 of pay-per-use charges on the mobile internet. The only thing I can figure is that something on the phone is pinging servers. I had thought that email is only retrieved if you click on the email button. I must be wrong. Anyway, I removed the Edge settings so that I cannot incur any more charges.

    Please bring an unlimited data plan to Canada! Soon!

  • I’ve had my iPhone now for 3 weeks and hardly EVER use Safari unless I’m on a Wi-Fi hotspot or at home on my own wireless network.

    I was shocked when I got a text message from Rogers saying that I had incurred $100 of pay-per-use charges on the mobile internet. The only thing I can figure is that something on the phone is pinging servers. I had thought that email is only retrieved if you click on the email button. I must be wrong. Anyway, I removed the Edge settings so that I cannot incur any more charges.

    Please bring an unlimited data plan to Canada! Soon!

  • Alf

    @Kayne,
    That’s market dynamics for you. European countries are much more densely populated than Canada – most of the European countries are no bigger than a province in Canada with a population greater than that of Canada – and so the investment in Infrastructure to set up the physical network is not that much for European telcos and they can afford to charge less. The only market similar to Canadian market is the Australian market (vast country with a population of 20 million) and I would love to know what telcos charge in Australia.

    @Music Critic,
    You are right. Unless you specifically disable the data/email settings the phone keeps on checking the server for updates on a regular basis (I think once every few secs) and this leads to high data usage. This functionality is similar to what you have in blackberry in case you have set up blackberry to receive emails from yahoo, gmail or any other provider. Do make sure the phone is not pinging the server, especially if you are planning to travel and are on the roaming network.

  • Alf

    @Kayne,
    That’s market dynamics for you. European countries are much more densely populated than Canada – most of the European countries are no bigger than a province in Canada with a population greater than that of Canada – and so the investment in Infrastructure to set up the physical network is not that much for European telcos and they can afford to charge less. The only market similar to Canadian market is the Australian market (vast country with a population of 20 million) and I would love to know what telcos charge in Australia.

    @Music Critic,
    You are right. Unless you specifically disable the data/email settings the phone keeps on checking the server for updates on a regular basis (I think once every few secs) and this leads to high data usage. This functionality is similar to what you have in blackberry in case you have set up blackberry to receive emails from yahoo, gmail or any other provider. Do make sure the phone is not pinging the server, especially if you are planning to travel and are on the roaming network.

  • Dan

    I work for a telecommuncations company in Canada and i have to agree with Alf. If you were to see the amount of infrastructure needed to supply the majority of Canada with digital service then you can see that there is a lot of maintenance needed to maintain the service. Us having such a small population (relative to most countries) and such a large land area (after all we are the 2nd largest country in the world based on area) the ARPU would be low unless companies charge higher rates (hence why we still pay long distance charges unlike the states). Now i’m not totally agreeing with how the companies are managing there business but if you were managing one of companies here you would probably come to the same conclusion. The real issue in my personal opinion is the lack of competition. The government is actually limiting many new carriers from coming into this country because of the current laws. The reason why you don’t see some european or american companies coming into this country is because current law states that a telecommunications company needs to over 50% owned and maintained by canadians. If you really want to see some change, you need to pressure the CRTC to change these laws. This current auction is really going to result in much of nothing and i wouldn’t expect much except maybe some minor companies offering the same type of pricing.

  • Dan

    I work for a telecommuncations company in Canada and i have to agree with Alf. If you were to see the amount of infrastructure needed to supply the majority of Canada with digital service then you can see that there is a lot of maintenance needed to maintain the service. Us having such a small population (relative to most countries) and such a large land area (after all we are the 2nd largest country in the world based on area) the ARPU would be low unless companies charge higher rates (hence why we still pay long distance charges unlike the states). Now i’m not totally agreeing with how the companies are managing there business but if you were managing one of companies here you would probably come to the same conclusion. The real issue in my personal opinion is the lack of competition. The government is actually limiting many new carriers from coming into this country because of the current laws. The reason why you don’t see some european or american companies coming into this country is because current law states that a telecommunications company needs to over 50% owned and maintained by canadians. If you really want to see some change, you need to pressure the CRTC to change these laws. This current auction is really going to result in much of nothing and i wouldn’t expect much except maybe some minor companies offering the same type of pricing.

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