We previously covered that the ‘Big 3’ in Canada confirmed they would be carrying the iPhone 4 in July. However, none of them have confirmed on their websites about today’s July 30th Canadian launch date–until now.
Bell has updated their iPhone 4 page to include the words “Coming July 30th” in their iPhone 4 graphic. Given that wireless carriers are usually kept out of the loop until the last minute (just like consumers too) I’m not surprised Bell updated their page. It’s only a matter of time before Rogers and Telus does the same.
When Will iPhone 4 Upgrade Policies Be Announced?
That is the question of the day. When will Rogers, Telus, and Bell users receive information on upgrade policies towards the iPhone 4? The norm in Canada is for carriers to push these updates at the last minute (think of last year with Rogers and the iPhone 3GS). Now that the official iPhone 4 release date in Canada is out of the bag, the ball is in the court of the ‘Big 3′ to respond in a timely manner regarding upgrades and pricing. Please do so at least a week before the iPhone 4 launch. Please?
Rogers and Telus–you’re up next and we’re waitin’!
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Dear Big 3:
Please don't make it messy.
Cheers,
Lawrence
Dear Lawrence:
You obviously don't know us well enough. Messy is our middle name.
Big 3
I guarantee that the Big 3 will offer better plans for 3 years commitment then month-to-month unlocked Iphone buyers.
Dear Bell,
Even though I upgraded to the iPhone 3gs 32gb back in November please give me some sort of upgrade incentive to upgrade to the iPhone 4…!!! Otherwise screw you I'll buy one unlocked from Apple!
=)
I want an iPhone4! Hopefully there will be enough supply for the demand (though there never is). I guess I will drop by the local Rogers store here in the West End and check it out. I'm sure i can upgrade as I've had my iPhone for a while now (just 3g)
They'll give you about $100 less the full price. At least right now.
This is why I hate Rogers
I'm not getting my hopes up, just getting ready to dish out the ~$800…
Bell should Offer users to Upgrade to Rogers or Fido… lol
i know to some that might be worth more then the phone in it self lol
In all seriousness i just happen to live in a bad reception area for Telus/Bell ^_~
How is it possible that this process gets even more complicated every year?
They should have a standard upgrade policy when it comes to the iPhone especially as this is going to be the 4th year of the iPhone and 3rd year for it in Canada not to mention an unforeseen amount of years in the future…
And here are few other questions…
Why does Canada still have 3 year contract?
This makes upgrading very difficult especially when you want to upgrade every summer…
When is the jailbreak for 4.0/4.01 is going to be released? (Nothing to do with iPhone 4 or the unlock for iPhone 4)
Apparently the Dev team completed the jailbreak tool already (Spirit) and was waiting on Apple to release 4.0.1 then to release it… I know its been two days but if you have something completed and the new firmware doesn't patch any of the jailbreak/unlock exploits then technically you don't have any work to do but release it…
And why isn't there a pre-order a week in advance like the first 5 countries got?
This would be awesome as I won't have to be concerned if I will get an iPhone from the first shipment because we all know once they sell out you wont get an iPhone 4 until maybe the end of August and with a pre-order if you don't get an iPhone you have a plan B which is to wait in line on lunch day for one…
If you do the calculation at 10000 calls per day..how many more dropped callsnis that on the iphonen4 than the 3gs
Steve jobs addressed that question in the conference today. Per 100 Calls the iphone4 Dropped less then 1 call LESS then 3Gs is what ATTs Data showed
Canada has 3 year contracts because although we complain about it, each and every one of us still goes for it lol. Upgrade policy is as follows ( From my good friend who works for Rogers ) Last year if you had a 3G it didnt matter how ffar you were in to your contract, you could Sign back for 3 years to upgrade to the next gen iphone for a small discount, he strongly believes it will be the same this year (hes 90% sure)
The jailbreak said they were very close. We need to have patents ^_^ good things are worth waiting for.
Thanks for the reply…Your right about the 3 year contracts but I think it's partly due to the fact that a 3 year contract is still an option…
Here is my personal suggestion for the Big 3… Let me note firstly that i'm not an Apple fanboy… The only Apple product I do own is an iPhone so maybe i'm an iPhone fanboy but not one of these lol
Back to my suggestion… They should have an iPhone specific contract…
Same as you regular 3 year contract but you get perks example every year they automatically send you a new iPhone on lunch day which restarts your contract so there is no need to call in or wait… And for the Big 3 these are guaranteed sales until you opt out and you get better voice/data plans since technically your going to be with this provider a very long time… example Wind voice/data plans where you have $35 unlimited talk/text plans which include all features and a $30 unlimited data (max 5GB)… And for the Big 3 this will be just matching the competition… I would willingly pay $65 a month and $299 every year until I'm fed up of Apple/iPhone and I know a lot of people that would sign this contract and be a lifetime customer…
If anybody in a position to make this happen reads this you should consider it especially since the majority of iPhone sales so far have been iPhone customers upgrading
Bell was watching the same press announcement as we all were and only updated the page from what they saw there!! lol! Canadian Carriers know jack sh!t about iphone 4.
BUT they should have been working on their upgrade policy s etc and how to screw us out of more money to pay for their lazy arse middle mgmt.
no it dropped less than 1 call more than the 3GS
yes, very true. Canadians are the true sheep.. we wine and complain but take up the Rogering we get 😉
Right right. Thanks For the correction 🙂
does anyone know when we will be able to preorder this iphone in canada?
and when we do preorder it will we be able to buy it on contract?
I guarantee that the Big 3 will screw you all again and again!!! ha ha ha!
Bazinga!!!!
Screwing people Is an art. Some make a business out of it… Phone
companies too.
I've posted this in another area maybe it will answer some questions as far as rogers goes , I work for Rogers Call Centre in Ottawa, and we just started our up training for the IPHONE 4 speculation through the call centre, is that with the new iphone 4, there will not be the early upgrade we seen last year from the 3g to the 3gs, according to the business manager and my trainer all signals point to the standard 24 months into your contract before you can upgrade with new customer pricing, I in no way am guaranteeing this, but last year at this time with the 3GS , it was known during our up training for the 3GS that apple wanted an option for people who had recently got a 3G, apple was willing to subsidize this transition as to not alienate consumers who had recently got a 3G unaware of pending release of the 3Gs , as of this point until we at the contact centre are told differently we are to tell customers that standard upgrade policy is in effect, that could verify well change to in the near future but as of now, we have been told no early upgrades for orders of the iphone 4 unless told otherwise
we most prob will not have pre orders…
My concern is whether Rogers will announce the upgrade policy prior to the pre-order date on the Apple site. Seeing as the demand will be high, I will order on Apple's site come pre-order day. But if Rogers then notifies us after that that they will allow promo pricing for 3GS owners, I will be very pissed. Unless I still have time to cancel my Apple order. Will that option be available if Rogers announces we can get iPhone 4 at pre-order price. Will I be able to cancel the Apple order?
What makes you think there is going to be a pre-order through Apple?
They have never done that before for Canadians, and not even with something as recent as the iPad.
in terms of patching the jailbreak, i don't think apple really cares about it right now. they 're just busy making some new “facts or data“…….
Incorrect.
People were able to pre order iPads in Canada.
To everyone who might be thinking of upgrading, but is only 1 year into their contract: Rogers will give you an early upgrade if you ask for it, but it will extend your contract by an extra year (+3 from the day you get your new phone). I've done this every year for 8 years. Now I'm not sure if I've been lucky every time, but I have had to bother them for a little bit in order to get them to acknowledge this. Don't call on the phone, those people don't mind being rude to your face. Go to a store. My last few upgrades were from a Nokia 5300 to a Blackberry 8100 to an iPhone 3g to an iPhone 3gs. I'm doing my usual upgrade in September and I'm not worried. The only problem would be supply of the iPhone 4, so I'm hoping I can get my hands on one at that time.
Yes I can agree to this post, I too upgrade both my phones yearly. One
Rogers, one telus.
Of course it helps to have many years of faithful service on your
record, some times you need to fight a little, but they can do it.
Sent from my iPad
In fact I even received my iPad by pre-ordering it. So it is possible there will be a pre-order for the iPhone.
I'm not quite sure how my co-worker did this, I think he called Rogers
directly but he pre-ordered a white iPhone4 because he contract was
over and they wanted him to re-op. So it is possible, he proved that
to me.
Sent from my iPad
if it anything like the US preorder date, it would b 10 days b4 the launch…
Lmao thanks for the confidence level given to us rogers reps, HUP where yearly before and u shouldn't have had a problem doing the HUP. If rogers does give an early upgrade jump for it because there now really strick on it being every 2 years.
RF and Wireless System Engineers of the world rejoice. It is very exciting to see the CEO of Apple Computers to suffer the indignities of having to tell its customers that “you should hold this phone like this, yes like this, but not like that, and oh not like that” as he twists and turns his body, wrist, and the phone in multiple configurations like a talented contortionist. It is simply bad RF product design, admit it. Instead Apple is recommending to its customers a newly designed phone, just that it is a really cheapened version of the new phone, i.e., a phone with a new shell, or a new phone with additional unheard of hand positioning requirements. I have long wondered how Apple could have gotten away with no wireless expertise or with really bad expertise and still succeed in the wireless world by a pretty face. Now we have the answer. It was just lucky. The problem would have been found within 3 months of live air user tests, or the KPIs would have been trending high that no one could have explained. Apple either had no live air facilities or that no one was skilled enough to know what was going to hit them. This is millions of devices today, today, already in the field. This is a real handset issue that cannot even be side-stepped on the network side. I can only imagine that Nokia, Huawei, Motorola, are partying like there is no tomorrow. The curious thing is what AT&T was doing. It felt like they had been intoxicated by Apple's device successes and were just asleep at the wheel. I can just imagine AT&T is now going back to 2 years worth of data, and trying to find all hte dropped call cases that were not RCA'ed. The Apple CEO even suffered additional indignity of shouting to the world that the KPI will only deteriorate by 1%. Good heavens! Some boys in AT&T have their pay linked to the Dropped Call KPI, at the 0.1% granularity, and they will be getting a pay-cut. Not Steve Jobs, of course.
Agreed Ryan re: 3 year contract.
If they would have 2 year contracts they'd have me.
But I'm buying outright. Screw them.
een
FYI: only the 8GB 3GS's are unlocked from apple, not the iPhone 4's
Wrong
turtle, just a FYI, if your looking to UPGRADE early within a year from the last time you upgraded. You might be Shit Outta Luck, in august, rogers changed their upgrade policy from letting customers upgrade to another smartphone after one year to two years. And coming from somebody who is on the frontline, don't bother trying to negotiate something with a instore rep, because we have no power to let you upgrade early.
2nd
He's right. In store reps are just cashiers. If you want to twist
someones are the best place is customer relations, which you have to
call in for. Have many years of faithful service gives you more of a
bargaining chip.
Gary/Ex will Canada be sold out on day 1 or in the first week?
Just walked into a Rogers Centre in Burlington ,, asked about the Rogers launch , she said July30 th ( ok )
I asked can I buy Iphone 4 without a contract extension .. she said “Yes”
How Much ?
Clerk said ” 699.00 -16 gig and 32 gig 799.99
What about the Antenna Problem .. I asked ..
She said ” They had a recall ” ( her exact words )
I love dealing with rogers staff … she also said no pre-order and limited supplys
Ya….don't say stupid shit when you don't know what the eff u'r talking about d-bag…
I got a question. I got the 3G like fours days after the iPhone 3GS launch because I couldnt find any of those in my area.
So, do you think they will let me upgrade to an iPhone 4 from a 3G if they offer promotional pricing. The contract is about 1 year and a month old. Im with fido.
Likely no.
First week, definitely.
Question for anyone who knows: If I am eligible for an upgrade with Bell (and I have a credit on my account for a free iPhone 4 through Bell) do I have to go to the Bell Store to get it or can I get it through the Apple Store?
Both
So, other than signing away 2 more years of my life, I can walk into an Apple Store and walk out with a brand new iPhone 4 without spending a penny?